Since vBulletin.org won't use 3.7...

[cheat-master30]

And I heard they'll either upgrade for 3.8 or 4.0, what features would they enable? Would they enable any of the social networking features like the advanced profiles, social groups, tags, etc? Would they enable the new fixes enabled in 3.8 onwards like the PM search or the like? Would they change the board style when vBulletin 4.0 is released?

Now, you don't have to answer, I'm just wondering whether this board would be expected to have any new features before 2015.

[nexialys]

my 2¢ ... here we do not need any of the 3.7 features... and we could even drop some of the actual gadgets...

one of the best thing that could occur would be to release all the existing useful hacks that are behind the scene, and we could rehearse them, add new structure, making them products, or better tools... i know there is a lot of great tools here, and making them private is just the opposite of this site.

[cheat-master30]

Never even though of them releasing their internal modifications for vBulletin.org, but that would actually be a pretty good idea. That way, people who run similar sites could use similar setups to vBulletin.org, they could as you said be improved and people would more easily appreciate just how much has been modified at vBulletin.org.

[Lynne]

Ah, so we are supposed to guess and then after they upgrade we see who was the most correct in their guess?

I'll guess that they do not enable social networking. Or actually, can you enable it with predefined groups to join? So users can't go and make their own groups but only join ones that are predefined or OK'd by Staff?

I'll also guess they don't turn on albums. I just don't see a need for them here.

I'm a bad one to guess since I am not running 3.7 on my live board yet and I'm not familiar with all the things you can turn on and off.

And where did you heard that they would either upgrade to 3.8 or 4.0? I am kinda thinking you are correct since 3.8 is on vb.com, but I do wonder where you heard it.

[cheat-master30]

Ah, so we are supposed to guess and then after they upgrade we see who was the most correct in their guess?

I'll guess that they do not enable social networking. Or actually, can you enable it with predefined groups to join? So users can't go and make their own groups but only join ones that are predefined or OK'd by Staff?

You can make it so only staff can make social groups under Usergroup permissions.



I'll also guess they don't turn on albums. I just don't see a need for them here.

Maybe, maybe not.


And where did you heard that they would either upgrade to 3.8 or 4.0? I am kinda thinking you are correct since 3.8 is on vb.com, but I do wonder where you heard it.

Since they said here not 3.7, and possibly the others:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=1634043&postcount=14

[Lynne]

Since they said here not 3.7, and possibly the others:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost.php?p=1634043&postcount=14
Thanks for the link. I had not seen that. (But, I'm also not surprised about the statement.)

[Paul M]

And I heard they'll either upgrade for 3.8 or 4.0, what features would they enable? Would they enable any of the social networking features like the advanced profiles, social groups, tags, etc? Would they enable the new fixes enabled in 3.8 onwards like the PM search or the like? Would they change the board style when vBulletin 4.0 is released?

Now, you don't have to answer, I'm just wondering whether this board would be expected to have any new features before 2015.

There are no plans to enable social networking or albums, not sure about tags, they may or may not be useful, we havent really thought about that yet. As for the PM changes in 3.8, they would obviously just work as you cannot disable them as such (nor can I see why we would).

Who can say what will happen when 4.0 is released, certainly not us. As for new features before 2015 - I'm just going to assume thats a sarcastic question.

[Paul M]

one of the best thing that could occur would be to release all the existing useful hacks that are behind the scene

Most of the modifications at vb.org will never be released because they are all linked together, they are not "seperate" bits then can just be packaged up and released. For instance, all the functions are in one file, most of the plugins are in one main product, there is one misc_actions file that many actions/forms call. We dont have the time to split them all up, package them, release them - and of course, maintain and support them.

Also, one or two are modified versions of existing mods that would require permission to release them from the original author - others were written by staff who have now left, and would (I think) need their permission to release.

BTW, Just out of interest, since most are fairly specialised mods for this site, which would you consider as useful ?

[legionofangels]

BTW, Just out of interest, since most are fairly specialised mods for this site, which would you consider as useful ?

Latest forum poll on any non-vb page.

I mean I know we don't get along all the time but Paul, do a search on Poll or Poll Page, or something, this has been asked for several times on both .com and .org. The only one that offers this currently is vbadvanced, yet .com and .org do not. If everyone uses vbadvanced we lose the originality of custom websites and boards out there, making cookie cutter front pages.

We really need that one.

I like your Chief First Post concept but that's been modded, more importantly is the notices under a thread looking like ( see attachment )

But you've given the best reasoning as to why they are not released, I didn't know they were all tied together and I'm sure those little notices are tied deep into the system, but the poll one is probably releasable and would help a lot of sites.

Thanks,

LoA

[Lynne]

BTW, Just out of interest, since most are fairly specialised mods for this site, which would you consider as useful ?
I haven't seen what is 'behind the scenes' here for moderators, but I'm guessing you have some sort of predefined reply to posts here (and at vb.com?). I would love something like that on my site. There is something similar here, but there have been some comments made that it isn't using pre-existing vb code and therefore isn't as efficient as it could be.

And thanks for the explanation about the code here. I didn't realize it was all tied together either, although it really makes sense to do so. (I know I can't split up some of the mods I've written for my site for the exact same reason.)

[King Kovifor]

I haven't seen what is 'behind the scenes' here for moderators, but I'm guessing you have some sort of predefined reply to posts here (and at vb.com?). I would love something like that on my site. There is something similar here, but there have been some comments made that it isn't using pre-existing vb code and therefore isn't as efficient as it could be.

And thanks for the explanation about the code here. I didn't realize it was all tied together either, although it really makes sense to do so. (I know I can't split up some of the mods I've written for my site for the exact same reason.)

Just the unlicensed message is pre-defined. And the modification system is tied to the license check system - meaning we'd have to manage two different versions if it was ever released.

[Digital Jedi]

If everyone uses vbadvanced we lose the originality of custom websites and boards out there, making cookie cutter front pages.
That really is not vBadvanced or anyone else's fault in particular. That's due to a lack of imagination on the part of vBadvanced users. Lots of different looks can be achieved with vBadvanced if creative people put their mind to it. I still don't understand what you have against installing vBadvanced and just using the Poll module by itself. It's real easy to delete/add modules in the program.

As far as modifications go, I don't think I've seen a comparative version, but I'd like the ability to "tag" threads as they do with Installed/Uninstalled/Downloaded/Tagged prefixes and then be able to put the View by Criterion option in the User CP. I don't run a modifications site, but I can see where I could make use of the feature for other reasons as long as I could change the prefix names.

--------------- Added 1223149424 at 1223149424 ---------------

There is something similar here, but there have been some comments made that it isn't using pre-existing vb code and therefore isn't as efficient as it could be.
Would that be the Canned Replies mod for 3.7?

[Lynne]

Would that be the Canned Replies mod for 3.7?
Yes. Although I see he's made several revisions to the mod since the initial comments were made.

[SEOvB]

I haven't seen what is 'behind the scenes' here for moderators, but I'm guessing you have some sort of predefined reply to posts here (and at vb.com?). I would love something like that on my site. There is something similar here, but there have been some comments made that it isn't using pre-existing vb code and therefore isn't as efficient as it could be.

And thanks for the explanation about the code here. I didn't realize it was all tied together either, although it really makes sense to do so. (I know I can't split up some of the mods I've written for my site for the exact same reason.)

I've always just made use of replacement variables for moderators, regular users will never guess them as we use a format like

{@no_permission@} = Sorry the reason you can not do this action is because you do not have the proper permissions, See this thread here with more information.

Works wonders!

[Lynne]

I've always just made use of replacement variables for moderators, regular users will never guess them as we use a format like

{@no_permission@} = Sorry the reason you can not do this action is because you do not have the proper permissions, See this thread here with more information.

Works wonders!
I don't use replacement variables, but I did write a replacement plugin for certain words that the mods write (like if they write Band Restriction Policy, it is rewritten to be a linked to the Band Restriction Policy (http://www.mysite.com/faq) in the FAQ). I didn't use replacement variables because that replaces words that everybody writes and also the words anywhere in the site and I only wanted it for mods in posts. I have actually found that it would work for phrases also, so I *could* use it to do what I want. But, having a little drop-down to input the whole post would be nicer.

[legionofangels]

That really is not vBadvanced or anyone else's fault in particular. That's due to a lack of imagination on the part of vBadvanced users. Lots of different looks can be achieved with vBadvanced if creative people put their mind to it. I still don't understand what you have against installing vBadvanced and just using the Poll module by itself. It's real easy to delete/add modules in the program.

As far as modifications go, I don't think I've seen a comparative version, but I'd like the ability to "tag" threads as they do with Installed/Uninstalled/Downloaded/Tagged prefixes and then be able to put the View by Criterion option in the User CP. I don't run a modifications site, but I can see where I could make use of the feature for other reasons as long as I could change the prefix names.

1) You'd have to dramatically alter vBadvanced so that is does not look like everyone else's site out there.

2) Why would I want to install vBadvanced's complete modification for one option? All that hasn't been released on .org is the Poll option, and maybe latest blog on front page but I bet if I did a search that mod has been released to. I'm not gonna give vbadvanced a link from my site because I used one option of there 10 modules.

3) Even if I did I'd have to pay vBadvanced for branding free option just to use one module of 10, I don't need the others, I only need Poll. PLUS, many other members have asked for it, it's not just me.

[Wayne Luke]

I haven't seen what is 'behind the scenes' here for moderators, but I'm guessing you have some sort of predefined reply to posts here (and at vb.com?).

Speaking for vBulletin.com, there is no such thing as canned responses built into the forum software there. If there was it would be in the released software. We don't run any modifications on vBulletin.com.

All my replies and tips on how to resolve issues are stored in a Microsoft Onenote notebook that I reference and update as needed. Others have their own means of storing them.

[Paul M]

The only "canned" message on vb.org is the "unlicensed" message.

[nexialys]

and the "you are not a moderator, nexia, so calm down"... lol

[Paul M]

No, thats a special infraction created just for you. :D

[Chelf12]

No, thats a special infraction created just for you. :D

I hope I can stick around long enough to get my own special infraction message. <3


Anyways, I'd love to see something like the vBulletin.org MOD area. The MOD system is okay, I just like this one better. :)

[Shelley_c]

Is there a timeline of such rather than (when we can get around to doing it response) for the upgrading of vbulletin.org?

I have a suggestion. Members pooling together to hire a dedicated person who constantly updates and maintains vb.org. Obviously, jelsoft would need to pass this. I'm wondering how many members would pool together for a dedicated maintenance/developer for the org. Maybe that would be best posted at .com.

[nexialys]

hum,your suggestion would mean that we have to kick the actual staff who are not upgrading the site?!

vb.org is not a showroom for the latest version, so i don't see why they would focus on updating. the goal is the chat and release of addons/hacks... we could even use phpBB as a forum and the result would be the same, we would chat and release vbulletin hacks anyway.

[KevinL]

I don't understand the big push to update...

[Lynne]

Either do I.

[Dream]

I can imagine everyone posting help questions on my visitor messages... good thing that can be turned off. (can it? not sure now).

SN could be a nice toy to play on this site, but I wouldn't really need.

[Lynne]

Yes, you may turn off Visitor Messages. :cool:

[nexialys]

you can activate the VM for your contacts, admins, all or nobody... :)

[Dream]

nice, maybe I would keep it on just to create some havoc

as for updating this site to the latest version, having the latest version is good but I don't care much

as for the old "let the community take care of vb org" discussion I will say however I would like to see Jelsoft hiring people to take care of the coding of this site (no need to hire 100 moderators as this site requires) which is the hard part of the job. tried posting this at vb.com but topic was closed and I was yelled at. but whatever *sigh* I was just passing by this forum and I don't care that much.

[KevinL]

it should be downgraded to vb 2.x

:o

[UKBusinessLive]

it should be downgraded to vb 2.x

:o

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/02/110.png

I got VB 1.5 if thats any help :D:D

[KTBleeding]

Man, now those are the good ol' days.

I really miss vB 2.

[UKBusinessLive]

Man, now those are the good ol' days.

I really miss vB 2.

With Only 222 members they were like family :D

[Paul M]

No, there is no timeline. The site is running quite happily on 3.6.x atm.

[Wordplay]

so there probably wont be an upgrade to 4.0?

i think the reason so many people are asking is because it's great to see some mods in action on a forum software that they are using.

on my 3.8 board i was always getting inspired by other boards for features. especially from vb.org. with the chief posts, downloads (installs), etc. i got so much off this site. i often checked other people's sites too. but when you find decent functions on other people's forums, half of the time you can't find a mod/plugin for it here. so i gave up on checking out other people's forums a while back.

vb.com doesn't use mods so it's always been great for me to see on vb.org what vbulletin can really do. and i'd often even use it as a reference for people that i'd design forums for. but with 4.0 looking so much better than 3.6-8 i can't really do that anymore. and i'm sure there are more people in the same or atleast a similar boat as me.

by the way who kicked nexialys? how come he's only a guest now?

i'm sorry i replied to this old thread but it seems as though all the new "why aren't we on 4.0 threads" are closed after a moderators reply saying "look for on of the many other when are you updating posts".

[BSMedia]

and how do you think this one is going to end then...?

[Dismounted]

There will be an upgrade eventually - as soon as all the necessary modifications have been planned, coded and tested. How soon is that? I don't know.

[Wordplay]

thanks for replying dismounted. i'm sure there will be an update at some point. the question is really whether it'll be around the 4.0.x era, the 4.1.x era, or the 4.5.x-5.x.x era.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

We will most likely perform the next major upgrade of vBulletin.org using vBulletin 4.0.x.

[ChopSuey]

Hopefully 4.0.2 :D

[Digital Jedi]

Hopefully 4.0.2 :D
My guess is they'll go with whatever is the most recent version.

[Paul M]

Hopefully 4.0.2 :D
There is zero chance it will be done while 4.0.2 is still current.

[Wordplay]

We will most likely perform the next major upgrade of vBulletin.org using vBulletin 4.0.x.
thank you very much marco for replying to my concerns. i'm very pleased with that answer. it is what i was hoping for.

paul it is not yet even known when exactly 4.0.2 will appear or how long it will last, so i find that hard to foresee, although i can imagine 4.0.3 coming out before a site as big and well enhanced as vb.org can make the jump. lets just wait and see.

ooh i wish a small bottle of dr.pepper wasn't 1,19 euros in germany. that really killed my addiction fast.

[Paul M]

paul it is not yet even known when exactly 4.0.2 will appear or how long it will last, so i find that hard to foresee
Its not hard to forsee at all, 4.0.2 is due in the next few days, maybe a week or two at most. 4.0.3 maybe 2/3 weeks after that.

I can assure that any upgrade of vb.org is months away, far beyond when 4.0.2 or 4.0.3 will have been released.

[vbenhancer]

i think the reason so many people are asking is because it's great to see some mods in action on a forum software that they are using.

by the way who kicked nexialys? how come he's only a guest now?

1- i kicked myself


2- your first thought is completely pointless and goes nowhere ... because on vb.org, there NEVER had any demo of any product released here... vbulletin never was a showroom for any addon. it's a site for volunteers who support the guys in need, period.

stop trying to find pointless arguements. the site does not need to be upgraded to the latest version of vB 4.0... if you want a showroom, visit http://vbulletin.com

[ChopSuey]

There is zero chance it will be done while 4.0.2 is still current.

Just update this site in June when we're all happy :up:

[Digital Jedi]

1- i kicked myself


2- your first thought is completely pointless and goes nowhere ... because on vb.org, there NEVER had any demo of any product released here... vbulletin never was a showroom for any addon. it's a site for volunteers who support the guys in need, period.

stop trying to find pointless arguements. the site does not need to be upgraded to the latest version of vB 4.0... if you want a showroom, visit http://vbulletin.com
Um, what?

[ericgtr]

the site does not need to be upgraded to the latest version of vB 4.0... if you want a showroom, visit http://vbulletin.com
I'm inclined to agree here. What version they are running here makes no difference on what mods I choose to download and install for my current version. The usability of this site is finely tuned and I like it that way, I just don't see a real justification for .org upgrading.

[Alfa1]

I think with vb4 the proof is in the pudding. And if IB's sites* do not use vb4, then that's bad advertising IMHO.

* yes I know vb.org is technically not owned by IB. Just on IBs server and supporting the vb product in many ways. ;)

[ChopSuey]

Okay now so, when this place is upgraded. Why not release the nice color chooser you guys have, along with the width thingy. Would be a hit.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Most of the modifications running on vBulletin.org are integrated together and can not so easy be split off into a seperae releasable modification.

[ChopSuey]

Most of the modifications running on vBulletin.org are integrated together and can not so easy be split off into a seperae releasable modification.

Then why not release the whole thing? Have a forum just for it like the ibProArcade or something.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

That is not feasible as it is also integrated with very vB.org specific changes.

[Paul M]

Okay now so, when this place is upgraded. Why not release the nice color chooser you guys have, along with the width thingy. Would be a hit.
I was under the impression that someone had already released a mod that does the same thing.

[Paul M]

I think with vb4 the proof is in the pudding. And if IB's sites* do not use vb4, then that's bad advertising IMHO.

* yes I know vb.org is technically not owned by IB. Just on IBs server and supporting the vb product in many ways. ;)
Since IB own the domain, I think it would be fair to say they own vb.org. :)

I really dont understand this mentality that all IB sites "must" run vb4 to advertise it, showcase it, whatever. Its just nonsense. The only site this could possibly apply to is vbulletin.com, since that is the product and support site - and hey, it is running vb4.

[Digital Jedi]

I was under the impression that someone had already released a mod that does the same thing.
They have. Can't quite remember who, but pretty much every modification you guys make is replicated in some way and released by the regular members here.

[cheat-master30]

Or it's released by the staff, I remember one of the admins here releasing half the vBulletin.org modifications.

[Paul M]

Or it's released by the staff, I remember one of the admins here releasing half the vBulletin.org modifications.
LOl, I dont quite think so.

Some of the display related mods are slightly custom versions of Joes, which he has also released. :)

[Alfa1]

Since IB own the domain, I think it would be fair to say they own vb.org. :)

I really dont understand this mentality that all IB sites "must" run vb4 to advertise it, showcase it, whatever. Its just nonsense. The only site this could possibly apply to is vbulletin.com, since that is the product and support site - and hey, it is running vb4.
vb4 is an incremental rewrite of vbulletin. So its heading for being a rewritten, new product, released by a different company. Showing that many IB sites run well on vb4.x does bring across a statement of reliability and confidence in their own product. The proof is in the pudding. At least for some.

[ChopSuey]

I was under the impression that someone had already released a mod that does the same thing.

UKBusinessLive's mod? Its wayy different. vb.org's mod is better :erm:

[cheat-master30]

LOl, I dont quite think so.

Some of the display related mods are slightly custom versions of Joes, which he has also released. :)

I mean Princeton's mods, aka:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/member.php?u=925

vb4 is an incremental rewrite of vbulletin. So its heading for being a rewritten, new product, released by a different company. Showing that many IB sites run well on vb4.x does bring across a statement of reliability and confidence in their own product. The proof is in the pudding. At least for some.

Ditto. It's what reminded me to never visit a free forum hosting site again, because they were using forum software different to what they offered, and made it look like they were saying 'we're using a competitor's software because our product is rubbish'.

[Wordplay]

2- your first thought is completely pointless and goes nowhere ... because on vb.org, there NEVER had any demo of any product released here... vbulletin never was a showroom for any addon. it's a site for volunteers who support the guys in need, period.

stop trying to find pointless arguements. the site does not need to be upgraded to the latest version of vB 4.0... if you want a showroom, visit http://vbulletin.comwow who pissed in your coffee that morning?

@pointless arguments... i'm sorry for not choosing my words carefully enough. but i have spend quite a bit of time on vb.org. and i ment in the sense of inspirational. i believe the chiefpost being different was originally a vbulletin.org thing, before somebody made a hack for it. matter of fact i kind of made my own chiefpost mod, after seeing on vbulletin how things look, didn't work quite as well as the one released a couple of weeks later but it did it's job. same with the downloads, mods on vbulletin.org inspired a few coders i'm sure. maybe you're right though i suppose it is a pointless argument if nobody else feels that way. it was just my point of view, that i believed others might share. i wasn't trying make up stuff to convince the forum that in needed a change. i merely stated the reason i would have liked to see vb.org on the 4.0 standard.

i also believe alfa1 made a great point with the bad advertising, but i'm sure you would beg to differ. i think if new users saw all the great possibilities of vb they would be more willing to purchase it. the last 2 people that offered me a community creation job wanted me to use invision because they have come to believe it can do so much more.


Its not hard to forsee at all, 4.0.2 is due in the next few days, maybe a week or two at most. 4.0.3 maybe 2/3 weeks after that.

I can assure that any upgrade of vb.org is months away, far beyond when 4.0.2 or 4.0.3 will have been released.
i apologize paul, i should have educated myself first. i wasn't aware of the fact that 4.0.2 was already in the works, i haven't been to vb.com or vb.org in about a year i believe. but thanks for explaining, what you say makes perfect sense.

[kall]

I mean Princeton's mods, aka:

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/member.php?u=925

Or, aka Joe, as Paul said. :p