Need to SEO ... ASAP

[HamidFULL]

Dear Guys!

I need to Best and Free SEO for my VB forum! please help me to find it.

Thank you,

Best Regards :rolleyes:

[SEOvB]

Good luck, best and free dont really go together in anything.

[HamidFULL]

Good luck, best and free dont really go together in anything.

Thanks!!! and please show me best of Free SEOs!! :cool:

[nexialys]

you'll have more chances with google... >> "vbulletin seo"

[Gene Steinberg]

Good luck, best and free dont really go together in anything.
If you mean a certain SEO-related product, which costs almost as much as the vBulletin license, I would suggest otherwise. That product's snake oil marketing techniques ought to put anyone off.

Yes, if you do a search for SEO-related stuff in the mods area, you'll find plenty of good stuff to work with.

[vBVision]

Dear Guys!

I need to Best and Free SEO for my VB forum! please help me to find it.

Thank you,

Best Regards :rolleyes:

If you mean a SEO plugin for vB, then yes, it is hard to find free and good one. If you mean just search engine optimization for your forums, then you need to learn SEO principles for all sites first and then learn the specific sides of vBulletin to make it search engine optimized. No third way;)

[Brandon Sheley]

Here are a few threads on some free things you can do to optimize vbulletin (http://www.google.com/search?q=optimize+vbulletin&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS292US292)
but for the money, I would always suggest vbseo if your forums are viewable by guest.. (which everyone seems scared to say..lol) :o

[Chewy954]

I'd go and spend the money for vbseo. I bought it about 2 months ago, had 7,000 pages indexed, it dropped to like 400 and now its at 52,000!

[nexialys]

page indexed have nothing to do with vbSEO... Google periodically drop the indexed pages to re-index them... you can also have millions of pages indexed without being found a single time when people search for your keywords -- reason is that you are not alone on the internet.

if you base the trafic on your site only on SEO, even the guys at vbSEO will tell you that it's the wrong way to do it... you have to build your community first, not the opposite.

[Gene Steinberg]

page indexed have nothing to do with vbSEO... Google periodically drop the indexed pages to re-index them... you can also have millions of pages indexed without being found a single time when people search for your keywords -- reason is that you are not alone on the internet.

if you base the trafic on your site only on SEO, even the guys at vbSEO will tell you that it's the wrong way to do it... you have to build your community first, not the opposite.
I wrote them twice and they never bothered to respond. I suspect it requires a license to get answers, and you can do what vBSEO does (in reality, not with the functions you check that do nothing) can be replaced with free mods. At least that's my experience.

Peace,
Gene

[HamidFULL]

Thank you very much guys but VBSEO is really can increase traffic rate?!

[Gene Steinberg]

Thank you very much guys but VBSEO is really can increase traffic rate?!
Yes, if you believe the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. :D

My problem with vBSEO first and foremost is their snake oil marketing technique, which is very similar to the garbage you get in email spam promising you greater search engine traffic and higher listings.

First and foremost, the biggest element to gaining better placement is content. Relevant content. If you have a large forum with plenty of posts, you stand a better chance than having a small forum with occasional messages.

There are things you can do, free of charge, to optimize your site for best placement and the number of pages listed by Google and others. If you check the mods area, and articles posted here, you'll find a rich selection of ideas and plugins from which to choose. You don't have to spend near as much as the core vBulletin license to gain those things.

I just finished updating two forums that I administer for a friend, who runs a hosting company, and it took me less than half an hour each using free suggestions and mods. Of course, I had done my research.

vBSEO has two very visible functions. One is to rewrite URLs with supposedly SEO-friendly keywords and the other is to automatically parse URL links to include the actual title of the site. Beyond that, the picture gets murky. I tested the alleged meta tag and HTML optimization functions on those two sites (he was running the latest vBulletin and latest vBSEO on both), and they simply didn't work! They made no change whatever in the source code. I didn't bother to check the other stuff, as I felt that was sufficient to have severe questions about the product. So I removed it pronto!

The source code of the forum run by Crawlability, vBSEO's publisher, shows very little that would make it more SEO-friendly than any other forum, and it should be the best ad for the product.

To summarize: From rewriting URLs, to meta-tag enhancement, all the stuff is available in the Mods area of this site. That and SEO-friendly pointers posted in these forums and via Google search will help set up your forum and the rest of the site for the best possible SEO impact.

But, as I said, content is king!

Peace,
Gene Steinberg

[HamidFULL]

Yes, if you believe the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. :D

My problem with vBSEO first and foremost is their snake oil marketing technique, which is very similar to the garbage you get in email spam promising you greater search engine traffic and higher listings.

First and foremost, the biggest element to gaining better placement is content. Relevant content. If you have a large forum with plenty of posts, you stand a better chance than having a small forum with occasional messages.

There are things you can do, free of charge, to optimize your site for best placement and the number of pages listed by Google and others. If you check the mods area, and articles posted here, you'll find a rich selection of ideas and plugins from which to choose. You don't have to spend near as much as the core vBulletin license to gain those things.

I just finished updating two forums that I administer for a friend, who runs a hosting company, and it took me less than half an hour each using free suggestions and mods. Of course, I had done my research.

vBSEO has two very visible functions. One is to rewrite URLs with supposedly SEO-friendly keywords and the other is to automatically parse URL links to include the actual title of the site. Beyond that, the picture gets murky. I tested the alleged meta tag and HTML optimization functions on those two sites (he was running the latest vBulletin and latest vBSEO on both), and they simply didn't work! They made no change whatever in the source code. I didn't bother to check the other stuff, as I felt that was sufficient to have severe questions about the product. So I removed it pronto!

The source code of the forum run by Crawlability, vBSEO's publisher, shows very little that would make it more SEO-friendly than any other forum, and it should be the best ad for the product.

To summarize: From rewriting URLs, to meta-tag enhancement, all the stuff is available in the Mods area of this site. That and SEO-friendly pointers posted in these forums and via Google search will help set up your forum and the rest of the site for the best possible SEO impact.

But, as I said, content is king!

Peace,
Gene Steinberg

Awesome reply!! Thanks so much for information then I should buy one! :up:

[Gene Steinberg]

Let me add one more thing: It appears some of the vBSEO supporters have made it into a quasi-religion. I attempted to participate in a forum about vBulletin enhancements where any negative comment about the product, however legitmate, was met with hate and filth. This is tragic. Folks, please don't fall into that trap.

Yes, organized religion can be a great comfort to most people, but investing your faith in a mod for a message board seems a bit much.

Peace,
Gene

[nexialys]

i'm anti-religious... i hate everybody!

[Gene Steinberg]

i'm anti-religious... i hate everybody!
Sometimes I can understand that feeling. :)

Peace,
Gene

[SEOvB]

Let me add one more thing: It appears some of the vBSEO supporters have made it into a quasi-religion. I attempted to participate in a forum about vBulletin enhancements where any negative comment about the product, however legitmate, was met with hate and filth. This is tragic. Folks, please don't fall into that trap.

Yes, organized religion can be a great comfort to most people, but investing your faith in a mod for a message board seems a bit much.

Peace,
Gene

That would suck, I'm always up for a good debate of facts, but I dont think i'd ever resort to hate and filth, well unless of course i was getting beat then i'd start the mud slinging!

And i do agree, vBSEO isn't necessary to SEO your forums, you can cut down on duplicate content with a simple robots.txt file, along with some rel=nofollow mods, and nifty template editing.

You can build your backlinks without it, and thats what really matters, don't buy into the hype that it will increase your traffic, or buy your BMW, that can all be done with free modifications/ good template editing.

However, if you're lazy like me, like pretty URL's and the linkbacks, its a decent product to have, however, I've pretty much stopped promoting/endorsing/pushing it to people, as everything can be done without it as well.

[Gene Steinberg]

Ah yes, a BMW. They're sure fun to drive.

Peace,
Gene

[Hex_legend]

<a href="https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=173738" target="_blank">Does This help?</a>

[Vindictive]

1. vBSEO
2. Zoints SEO
3. What Hex said.

[Spank]

i'm anti-religious... i hate everybody!
I'm uncle-religious, I like anti's! :D

[HamidFULL]

Oh Wired ...

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1. vBSEO
2. Zoints SEO
3. What Hex said.

Does This help? (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=173738)

Thanks a lot guys! :p

[Brandon Sheley]

you get what you pay for ;)
sites don't "need" vbseo, but it's been shown that it helps in most cases

Like FRDS said, links are what will really help as far as SEO goes, but that's not even SEO.. it's marketing ;)

[Gene Steinberg]

you get what you pay for ;)
sites don't "need" vbseo, but it's been shown that it helps in most cases

Like FRDS said, links are what will really help as far as SEO goes, but that's not even SEO.. it's marketing ;)
Not in the case of vBSEO. It does little or nothing that you can't get from four or five free mods.

It's highly overpriced, and I wonder about their marketing schemes, which also include a promise that if you buy a copy, and people click on the copyright link on your forum and order, you get a piece of the action if you sign up as an affiliate. That smacks of MLM to me.

Peace,
Gene

[Brandon Sheley]

Not in the case of vBSEO. It does little or nothing that you can't get from four or five free mods.

It's highly overpriced, and I wonder about their marketing schemes, which also include a promise that if you buy a copy, and people click on the copyright link on your forum and order, you get a piece of the action if you sign up as an affiliate. That smacks of MLM to me.

Peace,
Gene

just a little fyi... you don't have to own vbseo to join their affiliate program ;)
Most script have an affiliate program,, even vBulletin itself has one ;)

This is very common

[Gene Steinberg]

just a little fyi... you don't have to own vbseo to join their affiliate program ;)
Most script have an affiliate program,, even vBulletin itself has one ;)

This is very common
I know but adding it as an element of the copyright, and using that as one of the reasons to install the software shows me they are more interested in getting licenses than providing honest-to-goodness SEO optimization. Sure, making a profit is fine and dandy.

But that software is notoriously overpriced for a reason, and it's not value.

Peace,
Gene

[Brandon Sheley]

I know but adding it as an element of the copyright, and using that as one of the reasons to install the software shows me they are more interested in getting licenses than providing honest-to-goodness SEO optimization. Sure, making a profit is fine and dandy.

But that software is notoriously overpriced for a reason, and it's not value.

Peace,
Gene

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion :)
btw.. there are many many threads on the Org about this exact topic.. Maybe you would like to check out what others have said. :)

[Gene Steinberg]

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion :)
btw.. there are many many threads on the Org about this exact topic.. Maybe you would like to check out what others have said. :)
I have personal experience with vBSEO on two forums run by a colleague. I wanted to determine whether to install it on the three vBulletin forums that I own. I decided it wasn't worth the money, because most of the claimed benefits are fantasies rather than realities.

I actually removed vBSEO from my colleague's forums and substituted the four mods that replace and extend its real (rather than placebo) capabilities, and actually saw traffic increase.

This product is sold with the same snake oil promise that you see in the spam mail that touts great SEO enhancements for a price. They don't even respond to sales inquiries that contain basic, legitimate questions about multiple licenses and installation matters, and I tried. Maybe they answered some of your letters, but this was way before I voiced any public criticism of their stuff.

Peace,
Gene

[Brandon Sheley]

again,, opinions ;)

vbseo support is notorious for being excellent
the only support that I've had that is better, is from my host

If you had a license, you can use their support ticket, which all my tickets haven't been answered within 24 hours, and usually within a few hours.

[Gene Steinberg]

again,, opinions ;)

vbseo support is notorious for being excellent
the only support that I've had that is better, is from my host

If you had a license, you can use their support ticket, which all my tickets haven't been answered within 24 hours, and usually within a few hours.
My questions were about buying a license in the first place, and about installation issues. Surely they want to sell their product.

No, I didn't use my colleague's license info for that, since I was considering buying my own. Surely a company that is interested in making a good impression to a potential customer and gaining what would have, in that case, been three licenses, should have been responsive. And yes, it was my standard email address, and there were no responses from them in the spam bin.

Peace,
Gene

[Brandon Sheley]

This is an issue you should take up on their support forums ;)
posted about it here will get you nowhere :(

[Gene Steinberg]

This is an issue you should take up on their support forums ;)
posted about it here will get you nowhere :(
As far as I'm concerned, the issue is resolved. I'm not using the product on my forums or on my colleague's forums. Our traffic continues to grow. We don't need to pay for snake oil.

I'm mentioning it here for the sake of people who might fall for that stuff.

Peace,
Gene

[Brandon Sheley]

rebel :D

[Gene Steinberg]

rebel :D
I wear that title with honor, my friend. :D

Peace,
Gene