Re: Deleted Avatar Thread

[PoetJA-1975]

OK - I got what I perceive as a most short and ugly message from vB.org Administrator davidw.... Now - I take a few moments out of my day (just being generous I thought) to upload a couple avatar packs: Glamour Avatars & Artistic Avatars - both of which contain images that can freely be attained from the internet on most all avatar websites...

Hello PoetJA-1975,

I have deleted your thread "Glamour Avatars" for the following reason.

Global Rules # 10
No spreading of any copyrighted material (vBulletin or other) is to take place on this site without the expressed permission of the copyright holder, which must be attached to the material. For example, you cannot upload complete vBulletin files. Partial code is permitted, as long as it is solely for the location of the correct place in the code. Any copyrighted code snippets should be no more than 10 lines in length, unless approved by a member of Staff.

Rgds,

davidw
vbulletin.org Staff

TO WHICH I RESPONDED AND HAVE THUS FAR NO RETURN COMMENT....


BTW - just were did you get information that those avatars are copyrighted and in violation of some sort of policy? Whoever gave you that information was blowing smoke up your arse: http://www.iconator.com/tags.php?type=avatar&tag=glamour

Jacquii.

I've just had vB Coordinator Marco post a very simple message in my Artistic Avatars thread: Is this your original work? --- nothing more just that one brief sentence as if it's a prequel to ugh....

I comment:
WhY? Are you gonna continue to go around deleting my damn threads?
No it is not my original work - but I would say each of the images in those packs are readily available on the internet - I would think they're not subject to any copyright. The Glamour avatar thread I posted earlier (just being generous and wanting to share) is not subject to any copyright either. It got deleted and none of you vB.org Admins even gave notice = THAT SUCKS!

I would think that you'd be more amiable to Members who are taking time out of their lives to be as generous as to share a pack of avatars.

Jacquii.

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That's it - just wanted to post my opinion on this matter. I've been a Member of vB.org for over 1 year now - and have never until this time posted/shared neither my template modifications, nor any of my graphic creations.

If this is the way vB.org feels fit to treat people who out of the generosity of their souls, shares something they think other Members can generally benefit from - I say it's the last time I share :D

Thanx for reading...

Jacquii.

[Guest190829]

Posting copyrighted material is against the rules - it goes against copyright laws and it would be a very big insult to users who posted their copyrighted work here if we did not follow comply to these rules.

It's not a personal attack on you. We appreciate your participation here, we just can not have copyrighted work posted here without the author's specific permission.

[PoetJA-1975]

oh - but the thing is - it's not copyrighted work
Anyway - thanx for the quick response DANNY

Jacquii.

[ssslippy]

I believe there is a law that basically says anything u post on your website or whatever is copyrighted. That means whereever those came from is copyrighted in the first place.

[TruthElixirX]

I believe there is a law that basically says anything u post on your website or whatever is copyrighted. That means whereever those came from is copyrighted in the first place.

Anything you produce is instantly copyrighted by you. This applies to the United States. You do not have to file any paper work. It is automatic.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork

When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

It is fixed to a hard drive and readable with anything that can interface with said HDD.

[PoetJA-1975]

I dare say then most of the avatar threads, smilies threads (accept for the brilliant work of SHELLEY) and a lot of the other threads specifically within the graphics section would be deleted then - My general understanding of graphics works in particular - is that if there is now copyright text and/or ownership stated point blankly and without any misunderstanding - then the graphics are in a public domain and readily available for anyone who wants to use them.

Now - understand that we're not talking about the AOL, vBulletin and/or similar big company logos - we're talking about a package of images used as avatars on forums. For instance - the Artistic Avatars post I made is made of DaVinci works, as well as from a selection of works Dega, Cezanne an other known artists of the 17th, 18th, 19th & 20th centuries. Are YAWL saying such avatar images are copyrighted?

That's ludicrous - And please let's not stretch the issue farther than what it is.

Jacquii.

[Guest190829]

Are YAWL saying such avatar images are copyrighted?

Yes. I am not a lawyer, so please don't take this as legal acumen but the Copyright Act of 1976 along with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act work together to state that any work digitally represented is copyrighted to the owner. In the case of iconator (by looking at their T.O.S) they assume that the one who uploads the work is the owner of the material.

Just because they upload their work to iconator does not mean they give consent for other to upload elsewhere. The same goes for modifications posted here. We are required by law to respect copyright so we have this clause in our general rules:

No spreading of any copyrighted material (vBulletin or other) is to take place on this site without the expressed permission of the copyright holder, which must be attached to the material. For example, you cannot upload complete vBulletin files. Partial code is permitted, as long as it is solely for the location of the correct place in the code. Any copyrighted code snippets should be no more than 10 lines in length, unless approved by a member of Staff. Again, please do not take this as a personal attack - it isn't.

[PoetJA-1975]

wow - OK - It's easy to simply spend time doing something else, rather than attempting to share a few avatars with the vB.org Community :D

Jacquii.

[Dean C]

Jacquii, i'm with the admins on this one I'm afraid. Provide proof that you have permission to distribute the avatars from the original author and you won't have a problem :)

[Paul M]

I comment:
WhY? Are you gonna continue to go around deleting my damn threads?
No it is not my original work - but I would say each of the images in those packs are readily available on the internet - I would think they're not subject to any copyright.



The relevant part is highlighted. To release work here you should either be the author, or have the authors permission (which we may ask for proof of).

[Marco van Herwaarden]

And before you reply with this: No, the fact that there is a site where people can upload avatars, does not mean they are free of copyright (or that the original author submitted it to that site).

[nexialys]

wow - OK - It's easy to simply spend time doing something else, rather than attempting to share a few avatars with the vB.org Community :D

Jacquii.

good then... sharing unlicensed or de-copyrighted material is not for us... if you are for that kind of way of doing things, you are not welcome here... there is plenty of places where people are doing it already.

i'm a member here, not one of the admins, and my right is to be protected from people interested to share things they do not own... it's like going to the market and having someone selling the dog of his neighbour... the guy saw the dog, thought it was free because it was with no license, and then decide to give the dog to someone else just because he had the right to do it... would you be happy if that dog was yours ?! (or your girlfriend!)...

oh, btw, i'm the one complaining about these avatars...

[Princeton]

all we ask is that you provide proof that distribution of images is ok by the original author

if an image is in the public domain a message (or policy) is usually posted on the site (where downloaded); if none available, you should always assume they are copyright to original author

thank you .. we do appreciate you sharing

[smacklan]

Copyright violations do slip by from time to time here I would imagine but I for one, as a constant victim of those who believe "it is their inherent right to everything on the internet being free whether it is or not", appreciate the efforts made by the staff here to protect intellectual property owner's rights!

[PoetJA-1975]

1st - LET'S NOT MAKE THIS BEAT UP ON POETJA-1975 TIME....
Oh wait.... That's what it's already become....


good then... sharing unlicensed or de-copyrighted material is not for us... if you are for that kind of way of doing things, you are not welcome here... there is plenty of places where people are doing it already.
Oh PA! I'm not welcome here? Go suck an AdminCP
You miss the point of this post entirely and I don't readily appreciate your smartalecky, snobbish commentary.

all we ask is that you provide proof that distribution of images is ok by the original author

if an image is in the public domain a message (or policy) is usually posted on the site (where downloaded); if none available, you should always assume they are copyright to original author


thank you .. we do appreciate you sharing
Hmmm - well it sure doesn't sound like my sharing was appreciated at all...
At anyrate - Like I say - It's simple to not post any additional graphics at all - not even my own creations that I would share with the Community - because it's quite clear to me that it wouldn't be appreciated anyway - except for a handful of people.

What I posted - little clips from OLD OLD OLD OLD artworks - And a couple avatars with text that reads CHANEL or LOUIS VUITTON ..... I'd dare submit that the vB.org Admins are taking the "copyright" policy a little to strictly - and it's a pity.... I mean - What are you gonna do? Send out a memo to all 215,873 vB.org Members, asking them to take down their avatars (unless their own creation of course) because they have no permission to use the images... Can you not see how ABSURD that is?

Copyright violations do slip by from time to time here...

I dare say - a small copy of Michelangelo's Statue of David or DaVinci's Mona Lisa is not currently under any type of copyright... It's like walking into all shops that have and sell prints (also known as picture copies) of such artistic works and telling them to stop selling, as they're breaking copyright policy... THAT'S ABSURD!

And the thing is - I as a published Writer & Poet certainly do understand how the copyright of any particular intellectual work works... In fact - As a publisher as well - I've written some copyright policies of my own. By taking down my little share of avatars - You've taken your policy a little too.................................far IMO - You've become the Anal Avatar Swiper Police LOL

Jacquii.

[nexialys]

Oh PA! I'm not welcome here? Go suck an AdminCP
You miss the point of this post entirely and I don't readily appreciate your smartalecky, snobbish commentary

Snobbish is prefered to insulting btw... and i do not suck admins... i prefer to buy them with flowers and good comments!

smartalecky... first time read that... i appreciate to be smart btw... (i suppose because i'm french i'm excused of not knowing your personal language... sorry!)

oh, btw, i think this thread deserves to be closed now...

[Calash]

I have a related question:

What about avatars based on Public Domain or purchased stock images? Are these permitted?

[nexialys]

I have a related question:

What about avatars based on Public Domain or purchased stock images? Are these permitted?

You can always USE what you buy... RELEASING them to your own name without any notice of the stock is against the stock release license... an example is the Policies of Jupiter Images:Any Content downloaded by you from this Site, including, without limitation, any files, images incorporated in or generated by the software, and data accompanying the software (collectively, the "Content") is licensed to you by JUPITERIMAGES. Downloading the Content does not transfer title to the Content, or any intellectual property rights therein, to you. You may not redistribute or sell the content.

[Guest190829]

This thread has turned into a flame war, so I am closing the thread. We have a clear policy regarding uploading copyrighted material here: either it is your own work or you have specific permission from the author; no exceptions.