vB.org Is Not Active Like it Use Before

[Connector]

Hello.

Vb.org is not Active like b4 .... i remember Everyday New Hack is posted now i think it need week or so ... I Find in IPB /IZE is more active then here even phpBB ... So What happen ?

[Adrian Schneider]

Why haven't you released any hacks here?

Believe it or not, many people will have the same answer. So if you're looking for the source of the problem, look no further than yourself.

[Connector]

i'am not a coder or skiner how i wish if i know how to code iam not going to pay the mod that are free in phpbb and IPB and Reguest it here for Custom Work to many mod/hack i have make for my website is custom work that is already free in other site also this day it is hard to find a coder to creat your Custom Mod here in vb.org never it work with me if i post a reg for custom work the guy wested my time he can't do it or he ripped the money so i deside to join scriptlance but also there is hard to find a coder who intersting creating custom mod for vb....

[MPDev]

I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".

[Dismounted]

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.
vB.org actually has an equally as strong (if not stronger) community of developers, it's just that the "Average Joe" has come into mix.

[Freesteyelz]

* Freesteyelz's average. :D

[G0F0RBR0KE]

Hello.

Vb.org is not Active like b4 .... i remember Everyday New Hack is posted now i think it need week or so ... I Find in IPB /IZE is more active then here even phpBB ... So What happen ?

You have to understand that not all coders will update their modification up to date. That's why it doesn't seem we're active. However, we're more active than those boards you have mention.

[rpainter]

I have to agree with MPDev. Now...I am not a coder (even though it says I am in my postbit). I have released 1 MOD. I needed it on my site, and I am too cheap (poor) to pay someone to do it.

Before I started using vB, I had no knowledge of PHP at all. Through working with it, and playing with the code, I have taught myself a little bit about it. It's not that hard to get the basics.

Instead of complaining about not getting everything you want FOR FREE, why don't you try to do for yourself???? I have asked for support from MOD authors in the past (and probably still will), but before I go to the thread and ask, I at least look a the code and try to figure it out for myself.

Just my 2 cents.

[Dean C]

I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".

Couldn't have put it better myself

[Mark.B]

I wish to complain that the posts saying vb.org isn't as good as it used to be, aren't as good as they used to be!

[Andrew Green]

Hello.

Vb.org is not Active like b4 .... i remember Everyday New Hack is posted now i think it need week or so ... I Find in IPB /IZE is more active then here even phpBB ... So What happen ?

Go to the mods you like and hit that "Support Developer" button. With enough people doing that the people that can code good mods might feel a little more motivated to do so. But if you never write any mods, or donate to any authors, I really don't think you can complain that you're not getting enough "free stuff".

[EnIgMa1234]

I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".I feel the same way. Just gets really annoying when someone comes into one of my threads and demands support. I had one guy uninstall a hack after asking for help. He waited 10 mins for an answer expecting me to come. After the 10 mins he made a new post and said "Uninstalled". That kind of thing really puts me off releasing hacks here.

[puertoblack2003]

One thing that everyone is failing to mention. That the coders do have other agenda or jobs beside here. And some are full and some is part time. I think that vb is active myself. And we should appreciate the free hacks that is offered , and your dedication that you guys have done for us. Theres is always someone BIT*HING about free stuff. STOP complaining what is offered for free.

that's my .02

[Connector]

i'am not complaning about mod outher iam just saying it is not active like it use to be..

Go to vB2 / vb30 you will find to many intersting mod in that forum but in vb36 just a few mod and hack compare to the vb2/vb30 forum ...

[Andrew Green]

There are still some interesting mods, but it seems the more interesting ones tend to end up as paid ones, probably for the reasons everyone has been giving. As the site grows, supporting mods is going to become harder and harder with more and more people looking for support.

[wengi]

I dont blame Coders putting their hacks as a payed services as doing them takes a lot and a lot of time but for the once that do release free mods we all should give them respect and time to update their releases as they are not doing it for 24hrs a day. I my self aint a coder but try to figure out myself if something isnt working in a mod .. i am a designer and have always tryed to help others that needed help on Graffix as that is what best i know to do even if i my self do ask others to help me when i have problems.

Regards
Wengi

[Inferno Tech]

My two cents are this: Whenever you release a free mod on vb.org it seems some people suddenly think they "own" you, and demand 24/7 support. If you dare not to give this they make a scathing "uninstall" post, and god help you if you release a paid version of the mod as well, because then apparently you are insulting them in some way by giving them something for free, just because they have to *shock horror* pay for a better version.

VB.orgs problem is the community of non-coders. They have got no respect, and expect everything for nothing. In our latest mod we have had more than one post taking shots at us for daring to release a paid version of our mod and not supporting the free version. Even though those people just got a mod *For Free* They still feel like they have the right to insult and have a go at the coders.

We even had an extremely prominent staff member say he was having some problems, and ask if he should post for help, or just not bother and uninstall it! This is meant to be an advanced coder, who won't even take the time to debug errors he is having, instead threatening to uninstall unless someone does it for him. This kind of attitude, where if someone else doesnt fix your problem you're going to make an "uninstall" post is ridiculous - especially from other coders.

If you want to know why vb.org isnt as active - there are the reasons. I know of more than one coder who has left because of this kind of attitude.

[Andrew Green]

In our latest mod we have had more than one post taking shots at us for daring to release a paid version of our mod and not supporting the free version.

I miss the old shareware days :(

Great distribution model.

[bigcurt]

Stupid plugins and products took all the fun away from actually "hacking!"

I am just joking, please don't kill me :P.

[Andrew Green]

You do have a point there, used to be you had to know a little bit about php in order to install modifications. Now its easy, anyone can do it, leads to a bigger group with less ability to troubleshoot.

[bigcurt]

Well, used to be a lot of people would at least come to the coders with PROBLEMS they would have with the code. Now, I think it mainly comes down to a lot of people asking for more, more, more. Myself included, I know I have asked a few times for "more features" of a modification. However, I do not take it to the lengths that some people do and I would like to think that I at least make my gratitude seen by the coder.

[Paul M]

We even had an extremely prominent staff member say he was having some problems, and ask if he should post for help, or just not bother and uninstall it! This is meant to be an advanced coder, who won't even take the time to debug errors he is having, instead threatening to uninstall unless someone does it for him.


Perhaps you should check you own attitude before casting stones about others. Just because I happen to be a staff member, or write my own modifications, does not mean I should have to debug every other modification I happen to try out or use. You may have lots of free time, I don't. The facts are that you posted that the modification was unsupported, so I quite reasonably asked if I should post the issues I encounted or just move on. There is no point in me posting issues if you are going to ignore them.

As far as activity is concerned, it really depends on how you measure it - something like 2,500 members log in every day, and over 150 new members join every day - hardly a sign of inactivity. As far as new modifications are concerned, it would be impossible to keep up a constant stream of new releases, so many extra features that people want are already provided by existing modifications. Members cannot come up with a never ending supply of new ideas. Most of the requests I read these days are either for very obscure custom features that would almost only be of use to the requestor - or are for massive changes that would take someone a great deal of time and effort to write.

[Ziki]

Here is my answer to this thread:

1.Money moves->when we make a good hack we want to sell it because money is important nowdays
2.Free = Theft ->Many hacks get stolen,or republished without permission.I found a couple of mine on other websites which I didn't give permission to
3.Ideas ->It is very hard to come up with unique ideas all the time
4.Time -> coding takes time
5.Skills -> often I can't code what somebody requests


Members cannot come up with a never ending supply of new ideas. Most of the requests I read these days are either for very obscure custom features that would almost only be of use to the requestor - or are for massive changes that would take someone a great deal of time and effort to write.


Yeah basically what I wanted to say Paul.

[MPDev]

I have five kids.... if I did everything for "free", I wouldn't be putting food on the table.

[deezelpope]

VB.orgs problem is the community of non-coders. They have got no respect, and expect everything for nothing. In our latest mod we have had more than one post taking shots at us for daring to release a paid version of our mod and not supporting the free version. Even though those people just got a mod *For Free* They still feel like they have the right to insult and have a go at the coders.


Now wait just a second.:( Not ALL 'non-coders' are like you're saying, and it's rather unfair of you to say so. I have nothing but the utmost respect for the staff, coders, and designers here. In my opinion, they're nothing short of brilliant! I can't begin to wrap my head around the things they're capable of, regarding coding and designing. All that code makes my head spin.:erm:

[cheat-master30]

Here is my answer to this thread:

1.Money moves->when we make a good hack we want to sell it because money is important nowdays
2.Free = Theft ->Many hacks get stolen,or republished without permission.I found a couple of mine on other websites which I didn't give permission to
3.Ideas ->It is very hard to come up with unique ideas all the time
4.Time -> coding takes time
5.Skills -> often I can't code what somebody requests

Yeah basically what I wanted to say Paul.

1. Some people will always put the interests of others and free things before payment. The same that refuse advertisements, paid memberships and paid content.

2. Stuff like that gets stolen regardless of if it's paid or free. Otherwise you wouldn't see so much paid software pirated and released on warez and torrent sites.

3. Fair enough. Although if anyone wants new ideas... I could write a very long list of things not released yet that I currently don't have the ability to release.

4. Fair enough.

5. Same here

You do have a point there, used to be you had to know a little bit about php in order to install modifications. Now its easy, anyone can do it, leads to a bigger group with less ability to troubleshoot.

Don't see no big difference. Checked in the install file of a vBulletin version 2 mod and it did still say to find this piece of code and add/delete/replace with this new piece of code. Same kind of thing as template edits; and most major modifications require either template or file mods.

My two cents are this: Whenever you release a free mod on vb.org it seems some people suddenly think they "own" you, and demand 24/7 support. If you dare not to give this they make a scathing "uninstall" post, and god help you if you release a paid version of the mod as well, because then apparently you are insulting them in some way by giving them something for free, just because they have to *shock horror* pay for a better version.

VB.orgs problem is the community of non-coders. They have got no respect, and expect everything for nothing. In our latest mod we have had more than one post taking shots at us for daring to release a paid version of our mod and not supporting the free version. Even though those people just got a mod *For Free* They still feel like they have the right to insult and have a go at the coders.

We even had an extremely prominent staff member say he was having some problems, and ask if he should post for help, or just not bother and uninstall it! This is meant to be an advanced coder, who won't even take the time to debug errors he is having, instead threatening to uninstall unless someone does it for him. This kind of attitude, where if someone else doesnt fix your problem you're going to make an "uninstall" post is ridiculous - especially from other coders.

If you want to know why vb.org isnt as active - there are the reasons. I know of more than one coder who has left because of this kind of attitude.

Some people will always have little or no respect for anyone else. But these people are NEVER the majority on a website or forum. The majority who try modifications either are satisfied or give up and go elsewhere. It's like those company review sites online; only the very vocal get heard and their opinions are very much exaggerated or hostile.

I cannot hide that I dislike commercialism and capitalism as a whole. I also cannot hide that I prefer the internet without business being a massive part of it, and especially dislike Lite versions which are just dumbed down versions of a full one. Probably because this is about free modifications. But I won't argue.

[Ziki]

1. Some people will always put the interests of others and free things before payment. The same that refuse advertisements, paid memberships and paid content.

2. Stuff like that gets stolen regardless of if it's paid or free. Otherwise you wouldn't see so much paid software pirated and released on warez and torrent sites.

3. Fair enough. Although if anyone wants new ideas... I could write a very long list of things not released yet that I currently don't have the ability to release.

4. Fair enough.

5. Same here



Don't see no big difference. Checked in the install file of a vBulletin version 2 mod and it did still say to find this piece of code and add/delete/replace with this new piece of code. Same kind of thing as template edits; and most major modifications require either template or file mods.



Some people will always have little or no respect for anyone else. But these people are NEVER the majority on a website or forum. The majority who try modifications either are satisfied or give up and go elsewhere. It's like those company review sites online; only the very vocal get heard and their opinions are very much exaggerated or hostile.

I cannot hide that I dislike commercialism and capitalism as a whole. I also cannot hide that I prefer the internet without business being a massive part of it, and especially dislike Lite versions which are just dumbed down versions of a full one. Probably because this is about free modifications. But I won't argue.

Fair enough. :)

[Inferno Tech]

@Deezelpope - sorry for the generalisation, I realise, and appreciate, that not all none coders are like that. The point i was trying to make is that the %age of non coders to coders who act in this way is much greater.

@others

Giving out free code is admirable, sure, but it comes down to this.

Would you rather talented coders released lite versions here on vb.org, with full versions for sale, or that they didnt release anything at all?

The way people in the community react to lite and pro means that coders are getting the latter impression, and with other successful forum systems there ready to be coded for, it's a dangerous game. The community is destroying itself, by attacking itself. It's driving people away for no reason, and even when it's NOT doing that, it's not giving them much incentive to stick around either. Go look at any mod thread, the number of complaining or request posts, worded rudely usually, will outnumber the posts of people expressing gratitude 9 times out of 10.

Oh and just a little RE: to the stolen comment - if products are paid for, they can be properly protected. We have a product out,:cool: which has been out for quite a while now, and hasnt been cracked thanks to some protection measures, including encoding.

Premium mods definetely *can* be protected.

[Brad]

There are a lack of people willing to teach, there are a lack of people willing to learn. Both groups have a hard time hearing each other over all the noise.

Fix the above problems and you'll find the community will take care of itself.

[cheat-master30]

@Deezelpope - sorry for the generalisation, I realise, and appreciate, that not all none coders are like that. The point i was trying to make is that the %age of non coders to coders who act in this way is much greater.

@others

Giving out free code is admirable, sure, but it comes down to this.

Would you rather talented coders released lite versions here on vb.org, with full versions for sale, or that they didnt release anything at all?

The way people in the community react to lite and pro means that coders are getting the latter impression, and with other successful forum systems there ready to be coded for, it's a dangerous game. The community is destroying itself, by attacking itself. It's driving people away for no reason, and even when it's NOT doing that, it's not giving them much incentive to stick around either. Go look at any mod thread, the number of complaining or request posts, worded rudely usually, will outnumber the posts of people expressing gratitude 9 times out of 10.

Oh and just a little RE: to the stolen comment - if products are paid for, they can be properly protected. We have a product out,:cool: which has been out for quite a while now, and hasnt been cracked thanks to some protection measures, including encoding.

Premium mods definetely *can* be protected.

Firstly, I really have no comment on the first part. As for the part about the happiness expressed in the topic... as I said, the happy users don't generally reply/interact with others as much. For example, there are millions of vBulletin forums. Only a minority use the official site or this one.. and far less complain.


As for being properly protected... anything can be cracked. Just no one has used the time and resources to do so, simply because many such encoded products are not the mainstream, widely used products by others. And for one, you cannot protect the front end. HTML, CSS, XML and Javascript are NOT protectable in any way because they need to be understood by the browser to be parsed. That leaves the PHP core, which could be copied by an experienced coder... or possibly in future cracked. But less of that, as I am not one to discuss things which even show piracy.

[Freesteyelz]

There are a lack of people willing to teach, there are a lack of people willing to learn. Both groups have a hard time hearing each other over all the noise.

Fixed the above problems and you'll find the community will take care of itself.


In summary, the problem is not with just one group. We're a community and will benefit or pay the consequences as a whole. Well said, Brad. :up:

[Dream]

I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".

I have to agree with this and the comments by Inferno Tech. I worked with internet phone support and got traumatized, so I can't stand giving support nowadays. Questions can get pretty surprising, and I just don't have the patience (sue me). I find it funny that here in vb.org some people demand support, expect support to a FREE code that is provided. And if I don't reply to the questions about my mods, no one ever does. Most people don't help each other, they just come to the mod thread and ask their stuff then go away. I try to help most nice people with problems though, if I have the time, but I don't officially support modifications. Don't get me started with insane feature requests...

As for mod release activity, most mods released nowadays require weeks of coding, and that's good. Back when 3.5 and plugins was out, everyone was excited making quick mods (myself included), and the release activity was high. I think this things are related, bigger mods coming out now takes more time to code than the mini mods people used to do. It took me two or three weeks to make my radio and TV add-on, which had 50 installs in the first day :)

Also in my defense of not supporting my mods, I make them usually for myself to use, share them for FREE and now I allow ANYONE to re-use the code of any of my mods to release their own versions of it. So now other people might re-release my mods and make a better job at supporting them than me. And I'm hoping that happens, and I think it is pretty cool. This could create a healthy open-source sub-community here that would help everyone, each one doing the job (coding, support) they want to do. I know I don't want to do support, but I want to share the mods I make for myself with others.

Stupid plugins and products took all the fun away from actually "hacking!"

I am just joking, please don't kill me :P.

*shoots bigcurt* :P

edit: Dream's wall of text crits you for 10000 damage. You die.

[bigcurt]

*shoots bigcurt* :P

edit: Dream's wall of text crits you for 10000 damage. You die.


Please never make a WoW reference again or I will be forced to kill myself with a crit :P.

[Connector]

My license Just expire Today i will be thinking either way to Renew it or Move to IPB or phpBB .....

[brandondrury]

Personally, I'm THRILLED with the mods that are out there for vBulletin. There are some very exciting, very effective tools to make a forum a better place to be. I've nothing but program php all year so I realize just how tough it can be to make a system work for everyone. It's very difficult to please everyone.

I was into SMF for a while. There were some good mods, but it wasn't even close to what I experienced when I made the switch to vBulletin about a year ago. People can pretend that other forums are perfect, but what they really mean is there is one particular mod already written for that script and they refuse to pay someone to write it for them.

Maybe the time they waste switching forum scripts could be better used to serve their community or work with developers to get their mod (either free or paid).

Thank you to everyone who donates their time to make vBulletin even better!

Brandon

[Connector]

Iam trying to find a website where i can find paid Mod/hack i could not find anyone other then vba.com and vbhacks.com is there any other then this 2 ?

[Shazz]

Iam trying to find a website where i can find paid Mod/hack i could not find anyone other then vba.com and vbhacks.com is there any other then this 2 ?

Could you name what your looking for?

[Paul M]

Since you are no longer licenced, I fail to see why you need such a site.

[lasto]

should be a section where the paid for hacks can be displayed - sort of catalogue what is out there with a link to the relevant site for more info etc.

[Analogpoint]

Hello.

Vb.org is not Active like b4 .... i remember Everyday New Hack is posted now i think it need week or so ... I Find in IPB /IZE is more active then here even phpBB ... So What happen ?
I myself have released a dozen free mods, and coded another handful for clients in the last 2 months. :) I wouldn't call that inactive.

Since you are no longer licenced, I fail to see why you need such a site.

Good point :)

[Connector]

Since you are no longer licenced, I fail to see why you need such a site.

So , i'am thinking to renew my account iam just looking for some intersting product like photopost.com /vbadvanced.com / vbcredit.com this is the only site i found so far .... and if there is some more site then Post them here thanks...;)

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Feel free to ask again once you have obtained a new license.

[towermatt]

I'm new but I have been very frustrated by people who won't help themselves for a something that's free. Its like saying..."here is a free bowl of candy, all you have to do is come get it"

and the reply being..."What?!!? you can't bring it to me?"

Its terrible.

I have said a bunch of times that people should just read the thread. I don't care how busy you are, take the time and it will answer most of your questions.

I see people all the time say something like..."does this work with 3.5.6? I don't have time to read the thread"

Its just lazy. I don't blame coders for not wanting to put up with it. Turns a gift into something that is a constant problem

[WhaLberg]

Do you have any unanswered questions? Even experienced vBulletin users don't reply your questions, the vB.org staff is always spending their time to answer the questions or solving the problems.

We, the coders, have 'another' life. Not every time we can update our mods or produce something. Sometimes while I'm walking I think what can I do for vBulletin administrators to have it in their forums. But as many many things have been coded, not much things are produced. This is like questions. You cannot ask the answered questions. You may not know, this is so normal, but humans experience same things in their life. So think that and try to search the answer because it's in somewhere. It has to be.

If everything were free, there'd be no meaning of living for humans. To have something we pay what it is worth. This is not just money. Sometimes even we pay with our lives. If you feel pitty for paying for the mods you requested which you can found on other forum softwares' support sites, why have you paid for vBulletin as you can use a free software? This is a contradiction.

[RedTyger]

I would suggest that it is mostly because of posts like this. When you are a coder, it's one thing to share your code with others who give back to you; but when a huge population of people have nothing to offer and need constant hand holding to install even the most simple of mods, well, it's get old real quick.

vB.org was active when there was a strong community of developers feeding off of each other; now it's a huge portal for people wanting to update their software with "free" stuff and then demanding support because they don't have a clue or are unwilling to spend even a few minutes trying to figure out their own problem.

After a while even the most die hard of coders gives up and just codes for themselves thinking "why bother".

Pretty much. I personally haven't encountered anything like as high a percentage of ungrateful users as this thread makes it sound, but of course it happens. And equally the same bad attitude, while equally rare, is noticably not restricted to non-coders either.

Paul M said that 150 users join per day, how many of those are coders? A tiny percentage no doubt. vb.org is inevitably a victim of its own success. And it is a success. 150 new users daily is no small figure. The quality of some of the modifications/design on here is terrific even if (again, probably inevitably) some of the top class move on to greater things. I don't think there are fewer coders or fewer good modifications or anything like that. It's just that the demographics have shifted considerably.

Surely the real question is what can be done about it? Because if that is the cause - and there seems little disagreement that it is - then the trend will only continue in the same direction. Especially since as the userbase expands, modifications will receive even more posts and support requests and so on, polite or otherwise, and will become even more difficult to deal with.

[Link14716]

Supporting uShop back a few years ago killed my soul.

That and a WoW addiction and I haven't released anything in a while.

[Snake]

It has to do with the new admins of the site. Believe me.

[EnIgMa1234]

Sorry but I honestly believe the admins are doing a great job. Just look at the recent updates to the site. They were asked for and came pretty fast so they must be doing something right. I've stop releasing as much because of the attitude of some members towards free hacks. They think that they are the most important and you should jump when they say. Some of them don't realize that coders also have lives and can't update a hack or answer a question in 10 mins.

[Shelley_c]

I have to admit, I haven't encountered any members shouting abuse or complaining about not receiving support fast enough, if they did, the ignore user button can be a useful function to turn too whilst keep support going for the community that do deserve it.

[Paul M]

It has to do with the new admins of the site. Believe me.

Meaning what exactly.

[bigcurt]

I am an idiot and I read it wrong - edit :P.

[Adrian Schneider]

I'm pretty sure he is just blaming the staff.

Whether it's personal conflicts with them, or being offended by hack vulnerability procedures, they are taking it out on the wrong people.

I think it's plenty active. I don't even download many hacks, but I see a ton of them being posted regularly.

[Zachery]

It has to do with the new admins of the site. Believe me.
Honestly, I see this come up alot, the staffing proceedures and policys haven't ever changed much here.

[PixelFx]

If it makes anyone feel better dark and I have a number of mods/styles for vb.org in development we hope ot release soon for free, lol. But from reading the posts it is hard to support everyone with the free stuff, its been good learning exp though :D

[Dean C]

Honestly, I see this come up alot, the staffing proceedures and policys haven't ever changed much here.

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[Zachery]

Shame shame now mist, I once remember you being an active little mod here ;)

[Brad]

Meaning what exactly.
He thinks he can do better, that's all.

If anyone is willing to give it a shot I welcome them to try. It isn't fun, it can be stressful, and it'll eat away at your free time like no other "hobby".

It doesn't matter who is in charge of this place or any community. There will always be a few who blame the staff members for everything (be they current or past members of the staff). Often times these very same people contribute little to nothing to the community or do so simply to feed their ego.

This site is as active as ever, in fact it's more active than at any point in the past. What we lost is the "closeness" we used to have, which generally goes out the door when a community get as large as this one.

I'm not really sure what the OP is complaining about...hacks/mods/whatever you call them are released when they're "ready". If there is a drop-off in the number of new modifications posted it usually means the current version of the software is stable. As soon as a new version is released (say 4.0) which breaks all old modifications you'll see plenty getting posted...because the popular modifications are usually the first things to be "ported".

Most of the original ideas for modifications have already been done and were done in the vB 2.x "era". Think about it....when was the last time you saw an original idea for a modification? I can't think of many myself but then again I'm not as active as I used to be. These days all I see are improvements of old ideas (AJAX modifications and the like) or scripts for integration purposes.

But like I said we've become "stable" here. Nothing new and exciting is going on because there is nothing new and exciting to do. If someone is working on something new and exciting you'll find out about it when he/she is willing to release it and with time it will become boring and ordinary like everything that came before it...

I'll guess I'll end this post with the age old argument/advice; If you're unhappy with the number of modifications/styles/whatever begin posted here learn that particular skill and contribute. The "I'm not a coder/designer" argument doesn't cut it....either learn the skill or be happy with what is provided to you for free. If you aren't willing to learn and aren't willing to settle with what you're given for free then you'll be paying for "custom work". That's just the way things are...

[Chris M]

He thinks he can do better, that's all.

If anyone is willing to give it a shot I welcome them to try. It isn't fun, it can be stressful, and it'll eat away at your free time like no other "hobby".

It doesn't matter who is in charge of this place or any community. There will always be a few who blame the staff members for everything (be they current or past members of the staff). Often times these very same people contribute little to nothing to the community or do so simply to feed their ego.

This site is as active as ever, in fact it's more active than at any point in the past. What we lost is the "closeness" we used to have, which generally goes out the door when a community get as large as this one.

I'm not really sure what the OP is complaining about...hacks/mods/whatever you call them are released when they're "ready". If there is a drop-off in the number of new modifications posted it usually means the current version of the software is stable. As soon as a new version is released (say 4.0) which breaks all old modifications you'll see plenty getting posted...because the popular modifications are usually the first things to be "ported".

Most of the original ideas for modifications have already been done and were done in the vB 2.x "era". Think about it....when was the last time you saw an original idea for a modification? I can't think of many myself but then again I'm not as active as I used to be. These days all I see are improvements of old ideas (AJAX modifications and the like) or scripts for integration purposes.

But like I said we've become "stable" here. Nothing new and exciting is going on because there is nothing new and exciting to do. If someone is working on something new and exciting you'll find out about it when he/she is willing to release it and with time it will become boring and ordinary like everything that came before it...

I'll guess I'll end this post with the age old argument/advice; If you're unhappy with the number of modifications/styles/whatever begin posted here learn that particular skill and contribute. The "I'm not a coder/designer" argument doesn't cut it....either learn the skill or be happy with what is provided to you for free. If you aren't willing to learn and aren't willing to settle with what you're given for free then you'll be paying for "custom work". That's just the way things are...
*hugs Brad* :D

Nice speech :)

Chris

[bigcurt]

On a side note I say in order to bring the "closeness" back; that vBulletin should be downgraded back to 3.0.X so everything must be done by hand :-D....


Yea, I knew yall would love that ;).

[Link14716]

On a side note I say in order to bring the "closeness" back; that vBulletin should be downgraded back to 3.0.X so everything must be done by hand :-D....


Yea, I knew yall would love that ;).
HALP FATAL ERROR INIT.PHP!!!111

Oh god the memories.

[BrandiDup]

I have been around for around 2 or 3 years now and I happen to think it's a pretty active place! I may be blind to the problems that some people speak of, but I truly do not see anything wrong.

The staff have been nothing but nice and professional, as far as I have seen.

Plenty of members are releasing very good modifications, and MOST are supported just fine (again, as far as I have seen).

You will always have a few bad apples, both authors of code who don't care that people have their mod installed and need help, and also members who are unappreciative, impatient little turds.

Overall though, I think this place is just as great as ever. Actually, I think it's BETTER than ever. The staff have put a lot of thought into what would make this site better, and they take steps to put those into action. I can remember being on here a couple years ago and we didn't have nearly the amount of organization or features. Not that it was anyone's fault but, naturally, sites will grow and improve, which is what I feel this site has done.

It's no easy task to run a site this large or to support some of the bigger hacks out there, but I think everyone is doing pretty good job at making things work pretty smoothly.

Big thanks and props to all of the staff who make this place run smoothly and to the coders out there who very selflessly take the time to not only create the hacks but to also support them.

I have not noticed lack of activity at all.

[SBoards]

I'm not sure where to start in regards to the original reason this thread was opened. Hmmm... how about.... Are you kidding me? That's like walking into a free place for homeless people to sleep at and demanding that the volunteers who run it fix the place up. Get a grip on yourself.

I just now started posting here in the last couple weeks. My site launched in August '06 and I've had plenty to do there since then, so I'm just now getting some time to explore what else I can do with the vBulletin software. That being said, I'm quite frankly AMAZED at how many free hacks have been produced by the selfless servants of this site. You'll never know how much all of this stuff is appreciated by those of us who take what's given to us and do the best we can with it.

It might actually be a good idea to have a forum dedicated to php training. If anyone wanted to offer some basic training guides, I'd be more than happy to learn it and help out when I can.

As far as blaming the administration... again, Are you kidding me?? This site is obviously very well put together, and you yourself can't have a great site if you can even think about trying to blame administration. It takes alot of time and effort to maintain any communtiy... especially one this size. They're doing a wonderful job.

[Freesteyelz]

On a side note I say in order to bring the "closeness" back; that vBulletin should be downgraded back to 3.0.X so everything must be done by hand :-D....


Yea, I knew yall would love that ;).

For those of us who came from the UBB days know what it is to do everything manually. No template system, just modifying CGI and PL files. There was no such thing as just simple edits. :)

[Brad]

For those of us who came from the UBB days know what it is to do everything manually. No template system, just modifying CGI and PL files. There was no such thing as just simple edits. :)
There were templates in ubb 6.x. Before that point all html was hardcoded in with the application code.

Sure you couldn't edit them via the admincp but at least you didn't have to go off looking through a lot of perl code for bits of html.

I remember the old ubb days...:) The first "hack" I ever installed was a simple one-line edit that changed the "IP logged" link in posts to an image. I thought I was the man after I attempted installing that...:p. From that point on I couldn't help myself and I installed every hack I could get my hands on, things like; Private messaging, avatars, more than 5 moderators per forum, "Mega" (super) moderators, Polling system (board wide on the forumhome page, not per thread), Who's Online?, The Karma Hack, custom smilies and bbcode...and the list goes on and on...

4tugboat FTW! ;)

[Freesteyelz]

I think you had the most hacks ever on a board. Over a hundred +?

I recall being one of the few who actually went through every single CGI and PL file to do the edits. Then again I had rather an unorthodox way of modifying UBB. I actually went through every line of code just because.

[Dream]

I used to code hacks for UBB. "Upload custom avatar" was mine :P I made it before any forum had it.

I don't think I could install hacks with file edits nowadays though.

[odonel]

<font color="Navy">I second you Brandi...In addition, I think The problem is merely because of the fact that most of the mods/plugins one would need for a general forum, are already released in some variation or another in VB.ORG

Just like the economy or many aspects in life. There is a peak, once it is reached, you can;t go any further...</font>

[Dream]

Supporting uShop back a few years ago killed my soul.

That and a WoW addiction and I haven't released anything in a while.

And that is why I don't officially give support :P if I don't want I don't help *hmpf* -_-

[Freesteyelz]

I used to code hacks for UBB. "Upload custom avatar" was mine :P I made it before any forum had it.


You're Qasic? Or are you an author of another but similar mod?