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[Valter]

Hello there,

I was on position 2 on Friday, then moved to position 4 on Saturday.

I wonder how this happened?

PS: I don't care too much about this, just asking if this is some mistake or...?

[Dismounted]

That list is taken from here:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showgroups.php?show=coders

It is calculated on a top-secret algorithim, which also calculates your "Release Level".

[Valter]

Yes, I know, but this was quick jump. It taken several weeks/months between moves from 6 to 5, 5 to 4, 4 to 3, 3 to 2... and now in only 24 hours I'm two steps backward. But no problem, I can live with that.

Thanks for the fast reply anyway... and sorry for my bad English.

[nexialys]

release something new Cyb, instead of checking your rank.. lol

some people were asking for a AC in their navbar lately...

[Paul M]

Hello there,

I was on position 2 on Friday, then moved to position 4 on Saturday.

I wonder how this happened?



Modifications in the graveyard are not counted.

[Valter]

Thanks for the info Paul. :up:

[Ziki]

That list is taken from here:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showgroups.php?show=coders

It is calculated on a top-secret algorithim, which also calculates your "Release Level".


Heh top-secret my ass :p

[hambil]

Heh top-secret my ass :p
1 point for each hack you release
-1 point for each question you ask the staff
+10 points for each staff ass you kiss
:D

[EnIgMa1234]

Paul your the best staff member in the world.

*Checks release level* :p

[Brandon Sheley]

Your system is flawed ;)
You guys have a "release level 7" user that shouldn't even be in the top 20 :D IMHO
and users in the "level 5" that should be at the top..lmao

I never even knew about this page

[ragtek]

Your system is flawed ;)
You guys have a "release level 7" user that shouldn't even be in the top 20 :D IMHO
and users in the "level 5" that should be at the top..lmao

I never even knew about this page
me 2

[Paul M]

1 point for each hack you release
-1 point for each question you ask the staff
+10 points for each staff ass you kiss
:D

You forgot the +1 point for eash $1 donated to my paypal account ......... ;)

[nexialys]

1$... damn, Paul, members are not generous with ya.. lol

actually, having a real display of power for theses releases instead of just a ranking would be good on a "release-only" community.. but on site like here, i don't see why we have these... i'm a level 0, but i have more than 30 000 lines of codes released in the last 6 years... and most of the features i created with my addons are now integrated into the core - or - re-released by others...

;)

[Yours Truly]

I'm pretty certain it is a release level for releases here on vBulletin.org ;]

But on another note i think it would be cool to add to this with a clickable username which is like the one in post's, so it brings a drop down menu with a sub header then a link to their profile then another sub header with say "Release stats" then the body being:

Install:
Releases:
Favourited by: (Allow users the choice to have a favourite modder)
Been a modder for: (Time from 1st release to last update)

Oui?

[TECK]

That list is taken from here:
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showgroups.php?show=coders

It is calculated on a top-secret algorithm.
Bond. James Bond.

The so called top-secret algorithm, should be transformed into a human choice, where people should vote. IMO, a piece of code should/could not decide if a hacker is good.

[Lizard King]

I think the install numbers shall be taken off. If coders release their work for free why do they care about how many members install their mod ? I seriously find install numbers same as children ball counts.

[Paul M]

IMO, a piece of code should/could not decide if a hacker is good.
As stated numerous times before, it's not a measure of how good someone may be, it's called release level for a reason - it's a measure of your modification activity (releases) here on vb.org.

I'm pretty certain it is a release level for releases here on vBulletin.org ;]

Yep, exactly right (see above).

I think the install numbers shall be taken off.

You may not be interested, others are. The system will remain.

[SCRIPT3R]

As stated numerous times before, it's not a measure of how good someone may be, it's called release level for a reason - it's a measure of your modification activity (releases) here on vb.org.
the system is flawed in soo many ways it's silly. how many instances do we have where we have user making a new release for every version of the same hack rather then just updating the original hack thread? that's just one of the MAJOR flaws. just this morning i noticed one user with 4 different releases of the SAME HACK. go figure that one out. if i cared more, i'd go into more. ;)

[hambil]

I think the install numbers shall be taken off. If coders release their work for free why do they care about how many members install their mod ? I seriously find install numbers same as children ball counts.
How come nobody with a hack that has a thousand installs ever makes this argument? :rolleyes:

[Kirk Y]

Paul your the best staff member in the world.

*Checks release level* :p

ROTFL. If only, ha ha. :p

[TECK]

As stated numerous times before, it's not a measure of how good someone may be, it's called release level for a reason - it's a measure of your modification activity (releases) here on vb.org.
Thanks for explaining, Paul. I missed that part.

How come nobody with a hack that has a thousand installs ever makes this argument? :rolleyes:
Show me a hacker (not a 2 liner) that has a hack with thousands of installs and is still very active at vB.org site. Thanks Hambil. You know your stuff so you get what I mean. And how come you don't release hacks, never? However you are very active on the Coder forums, helping everyone? You get now the picture? Those people should be rewarded first.

[Kirk Y]

Show me a hacker (not a 2 liner) that has a hack with thousands of installs and is still very active at vB.org site. Thanks Hambil.

How about this: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=82769
Or this: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=122986
Or even this: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=101368

:D

[Paul M]

Just go to the 3.6 mods forum and sort by installs, with the possible exception of John, all the top ones are by currently active members.

[Yours Truly]

But on another note i think it would be cool to add to this with a clickable username which is like the one in post's, so it brings a drop down menu with a sub header then a link to their profile then another sub header with say "Release stats" then the body being:

Install:
Releases:
Favourited by: (Allow users the choice to have a favourite modder)
Been a modder for: (Time from 1st release to last update)

Oui?


Cough =]

[hambil]

And how come you don't release hacks, never?
I had a bunch of hacks. I gave some away, I had the others removed. I'm going/gone commercial, which makes me evil, and rather than come into constant conflict with the owners and operators of a 'free' hack board, I've decided not to release here. I'm hardly blazing trails - it's a path many others have followed.

However you are very active on the Coder forums, helping everyone?
Because despite some of my public conflicts that occurred here, I'm a nice and helpful guy. I help because I can, and because there aren't *that* many of us that can do the 'hard stuff' like heavy MySQL work. Plus, it just feels good.
Those people should be rewarded first.
I don't know about first, but they are rewarded. I'm pretty sure your 'helpfulness' and skill level/knowledge is a factor in the subjective part of the release level. I however, have no releases on this board anymore, so can't logically have a release level no matter how helpful I am ;)

[Valter]

All of my hacks previously moved to Graveyard (four) have been fixed and restored.

Edit: forget the second part, it has been fixed.

[RedTyger]

I think the install numbers shall be taken off. If coders release their work for free why do they care about how many members install their mod ? I seriously find install numbers same as children ball counts.

Cheer up, eh? I like to know - need to know, in fact - how many people are using what I'm doing because it tells me if it's worth taking any further, worth supporting and to be honest was worth releasing in the first place. That's not only useful for what's done on vBulletin.org too. Besides, if a lot of people are using a modification that means a lot of people are enjoying it and making use of it and I don't see why that's not worth being noted in itself.

Besides besides, if it's not important then why make such a fuss about it at all? I could understand objections if it were flashed up all over the place and a big deal was made of it, but that's just not true. Unless you actively want to find out, you won't know what someone's release level is at all. All you'll casually see is Coder/Designer or not.

the system is flawed in soo many ways it's silly. how many instances do we have where we have user making a new release for every version of the same hack rather then just updating the original hack thread? that's just one of the MAJOR flaws. just this morning i noticed one user with 4 different releases of the SAME HACK. go figure that one out. if i cared more, i'd go into more. ;)

That I agree with, though. There are a few habits that are particularly annoying. I haven't seen this myself, but vB's search is tough enough without multiples or modifications posted with the wrong prefix making it worse.

[Ziki]

1 point for each hack you release
-1 point for each question you ask the staff
+10 points for each staff ass you kiss
:D

How much do I get for mocking the staff?

[Paul M]

How much do I get for mocking the staff?30 Points. :)





(Infraction points ..... )

[hambil]

30 Points. :)





(Infraction points ..... )
I mock thee.

[nexialys]

i now know why i have that load of points lost... damn... LOL

[Adrian Schneider]

If it is in fact based on releases, perhaps the title should reflect this, just as the user titles now do.

[hambil]

I mock thee again!*











* I'm trying to cause a divide by zero error

[Ziki]

30 Points. :)





(Infraction points ..... )

Oh yeah I should have looked into my profile :p

[nexialys]

* I'm trying to cause a divide by zero error

there will always have a point-zero latency just in case you call it too often.. lol

[TECK]

How about this: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=82769
Or this: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=122986
Or even this: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=101368

:D
I forgot to mention, staff members don't count. :)
Actually, since they are staff, it should be their obligation to release on a regular basis high performance hacks, tutorials, examples of more robust vBulletin code... in one word, hacker work. I did not see anything like that recently, however it was done in the past. Is a matter of being motivated to do it. I know for a fact that I don't do freebies anymore, so I understand that others don't feel like doing it for free also. Into my eyes, a decent hack would be for example.. executing 5 queries less on every vBulletin page. Yes it can be done and it's very easy on top of that... it does involve only 2 small edits to the vBulletin files. You give me a good reason why I should give that for free to people, instead of charging at least $1,000.00 per client project... and I will do it. :)
Anyways, back on track.

Cybernetec, ya he has hacks with over 1,000 installs. However, only 6% of the total users participate in the forum discussions. Talking about active hackers who release decent code for users? I would say 0.00001%. Hackers used to have over 1,000 installs when the total number of members were under 5,000. Now they are at 200,000. So showing over 1,000 installs is like not even 1% of the total users.

To calculate the percentage is very simple, you have the information on your frontpage:
Members: 197,530, Active Members: 13,159

[Andreas]

executing 5 queries less on every vBulletin page

- use datastore cache
- cache style
- use a template cache
- cache phrases
- skip lastactivity update on user table

[TECK]

Nope, I don't use the datastore cache at all (for the examples listed above). :)
I dont like to add more bandwidth usage to the server, since the datastore is cached with memcached.

[Andreas]

If you use memcache, you are using a datastore cache ;)
But that is really getting OT.

[TECK]

If you use memcache, you are using a datastore cache ;)
But that is really getting OT.

I meant the vBulletin datastore. :)
Never the less, your query suggestions are very good, Andreas.

[Paul M]

Actually, since they are staff, it should be their obligation to release on a regular basis high performance hacks, tutorials, examples of more robust vBulletin code...
Staff do not have such an obigation, nor should they. This is a site run by volunteers.

Into my eyes, a decent hack would be for example.. executing 5 queries less on every vBulletin page. Yes it can be done and it's very easy on top of that... it does involve only 2 small edits to the vBulletin files. You give me a good reason why I should give that for free to people, instead of charging at least $1,000.00 per client project... and I will do it. :)
I wouldn't pay you $10 for such a mod. Too many people get fixated on reducing queries for no good reason. The number of queries is rarely a problem (unless it runs in to very high numbers), it is the nature of them that matters. One poor select (full table scan) can cripple a server, while 100 simple selects using indexes will barely make it flicker.

[Guest190829]

This original question of the thread has been answered, and this thread is going way OT, hence it's Closure. :)