vbSEO has a competing product

[MaestroX]

Very exciting news, nuhit (http://www.nuhit.com/) has just announced the release of NuSEO a rival product to vbSEO.

In my opinion this solves most of the problems people have been having with vbseo:
Cheaper than vbseo
Branding free optionThey have some documentation already up and feature wise it weighs up to vbseo though there are no relevent replacements

Its not released until later this month, but I believe they are taking pre-orders now.

What do you think? Will anyone be switching?

[ShawnV]

$110.00 for a branding free package, I for one will be checking this out.

_V

[Calash]

Definitely look interesting, though I am not seeing some of the vBSEO features (Outbound URL keywords, improving archive navigation, etc)

The module system and visible source do look promising though

[-=Sniper=-]

looks very interesting, thanks!

[Snake]

Hmph. It smells like a cheap hooker to me but anyway, I'm happy with vBSEO so far. :)

[Yours Truly]

Nuhit promises a lot but doesn't deliver from what i have seen

[Attilitus]

Have you purchased any of their products? (Not trying to call you out, I am just curious what information you are basing your opinion on.)

[Yours Truly]

Have you purchased any of their products? (Not trying to call you out, I am just curious what information you are basing your opinion on.)
I haven't as a matter of fact i have seen a few bad reviews and he has made a few promises what i haven't seen fufilled

[Attilitus]

Well I think that at the very least it is promising to see a future where vbSEO will have some competition from a supported product. (seeing as ZointSEO is not anymore).

Although I love my vbSEO, and don't see me trading it in at any point in the foreseeable future.

[Nudda]

looks very interesting. def keep an eye on this.

[MaestroX]

Although I love my vbSEO, and don't see me trading it in at any point in the foreseeable future.

At the moment I'm sitting on the bench too and seeing how this develops. Like it or not, competition is good for the end user, we will probably see vbseo falling over themselves to add a branding free option soon.

Have you purchased any of their products? (Not trying to call you out, I am just curious what information you are basing your opinion on.)

I can offer my opinion. As a user of some of their products I was very surprised at the speed they are developed and how much my suggestions were taken in although I have to agree that sometimes there have been ocassions where things have not followed through, but thinking on it there is not one vb developer I can think of that follows through on time. (unless I am very unlucky :p)

For the vb community this is a big step forward, competition will move both vbseo and NuSeo to be better products and as an end user, I'm can't complain :p

[Yours Truly]

At the moment I'm sitting on the bench too and seeing how this develops. Like it or not, competition is good for the end user, we will probably see vbseo falling over themselves to add a branding free option soon.



I can offer my opinion. As a user of some of their products I was very surprised at the speed they are developed and how much my suggestions were taken in although I have to agree that sometimes there have been ocassions where things have not followed through, but thinking on it there is not one vb developer I can think of that follows through on time. (unless I am very unlucky :p)

For the vb community this is a big step forward, competition will move both vbseo and NuSeo to be better products and as an end user, I'm can't complain :p
I can't see them introducing a branding free option it would be a sign of weakness and a market leader won't want to show that.

[Attilitus]

I can't see them introducing a branding free option it would be a sign of weakness and a market leader won't want to show that.
They have always said that a branding free version is in their overall business plan. Would hardly be a sign of weakness to follow through on what they have been saying since the initial product launch.

However, the required branding does give them an advantage as it demonstrates to all potential customers that vbSEO is the go-to solution for vBulletin. (I can't imagine what their sales numbers are)

[Yours Truly]

Oh sorry i didn't realise they had it planned =]
Why does it take so long to release a branding free version?
Remove the copyright phrase and voila?

[Attilitus]

Well it is probably because they do not want to give up the dominance that their required branding gives their software. It is pretty impressive to see the vbseo copyright at the bottom of almost every major seo-enabled forum.

[da420]

I can't see them introducing a branding free option it would be a sign of weakness and a market leader won't want to show that.

What are you talking about? vBulletin offers branding free. It's not a sign of weakness, it would be a very smart business move to offer branding free.

[ssslippy]

Personally I would like to see a simpler product that doesnt skyrocket a server load by installing.

[Paul M]

Personally I would like to see a simpler product that doesnt skyrocket a server load by installing.That was the biggest problem we had with vbseo.

I can't see many people who have bought vbseo suddenly deciding to spend yet more money on another product, it would need to be far superior before that happened. Branding free is not an issue for most people.

[Brandon Sheley]

This site is using a pirated copy of vbseo and claiming it's some new product ;)


This is the "demo" of this nuhit

http://www.nuhit.com/forums/vbseocp.php

lmao

so many stupid ppl, so little time :rolleyes:

[-=Sniper=-]

well spotted!!!

This site is using a pirated copy of vbseo and claiming it's some new product ;)


This is the "demo" of this nuhit

http://www.nuhit.com/forums/vbseocp.php

lmao

so many stupid ppl, so little time :rolleyes:

[BamaStangGuy]

I had a good dealing with him. I bought one of his products and didn't use it. He noticed I posted somewhere about not needing it and offered a refund. That's all my experience though.

[ElfMage]

Hi all, I will try to address the concerns expressed in this thread, entertaining as some of them are... :rolleyes:

They have some documentation already up and feature wise it weighs up to vbseo though there are no relevent replacements

NuSEO.PHP supports relevant replacements. The feature in NuSEO.PHP is named "Global Content Replacements".

I haven't as a matter of fact i have seen a few bad reviews and he has made a few promises what i haven't seen fufilled

Could you provide me with links to these "few bad reviews"? I am interested, since we place a lot of importance on customer support.

Take a look at this post by BamaStangGuy (https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?p=1293297), he didn't contact NuHIT. I saw a post on another forum where he mentioned that he had purchased one of our software, and that he had decided to go a different route. I contacted him, 45 days after his purchase, and offered him a full refund. :cool:

Anyways, my point is that Customer Support is important for NuHIT.

Regarding your statement of not following with promises, if possible, please provide more information to substantiate your claim. I see that you posted in another thread where Alfa mentioned about a potential product we've been working on, NuSpace. Alfa quoted a post I made over at NuHIT's forums, with features for the product and feedback on what would be needed. We like to hear what our customers have to say.

NuSpace, is still in the queue, but, with JelSoft announcing their Premium Add-ons for vBulletin, we decided to wait and see what they had in store.

This site is using a pirated copy of vbseo and claiming it's some new product

Hello there!, I didn't know you worked for vbSEO... always good to know... :eek:

We purchased a vbSEO license a while back. If you really work for vbSEO, then you should know this :cool:, if you don't, then ... what were you saying again? :D

Anyways, we have been working on a SEO product for the enterprise market for the past year (read: .NET, C#, ISAPI, Community Server, etc), with the popularity gained by NuHIT's products, we decided to create a similar product for the PHP market, since we had all the architecture and core algorithms worked out and tested.

I should note that NuSEO.PHP is not Add-On for vBulletin. NuSEO.PHP is a standalone product that has a module for vBulletin (among other modules for PhotoPost, ZenCart, PhotoPlog, DownloadsII, LDM, etc)

[Nudda]

Thanks for clearing that up :) Looks very good.

One question: I currently have zoints seo installed, will there be a way/method to redirect old ZSEO'd urls to new NUSEO'd urls?

[ElfMage]

Thanks.

I am not very familiar with Zoints SEO. However, NuSEO.PHP allows you to customize each URL to any format.

[Alfa1]

As a very satisfied customer of NuHit I can say that their customer support is very impressive to me and only a few coders have given equal support. The most positive side of NuHit's customer support to me is that they listen to their customers and actually add most of the feature requests to their product.

As far as I know NuHit does not approve/disapprove your forum content, before you are allowed to buy it. vbSEO does discriminate on forum content and refuses quite a lot of customers.

I am not affiliated in any way with NuHit, except that I use their products.

[Brandon Sheley]

Hello there!, I didn't know you worked for vbSEO... always good to know... :eek:

I don't work for vbseo, but those who do have been notified ;)

I wouldn't buy anything for this guy if he is the owner of nuhit :rolleyes:

[Lizard King]

Good Luck with your product but all features are exactly same as vBSEO :) I find this really funny and interesting.

[Attilitus]

... That is insulting to the developer of nuSEO, Lizard. vBSEO is a highly profitable SEO software which has only a few shortcomings. It is encoded, it has forced branding, and can only be used on "appropriate sites."

It is only natural for someone to want to come along and develop a software with similar functionality that will be attractive to those who are off-put by some of the shortcomings of vbseo. There is no need to put down someone for creating more choices for the consumer.

Once again, I will continue to use vbSEO, but I also feel that nuSEO is going to be a positive addition to the vbulletin seo market.

I don't work for vbseo, but those who do have been notified ;)

I wouldn't buy anything for this guy if he is the owner of nuhit :rolleyes:
Would you mind explaining how nuhit is going to sell a pirated version of vbSEO that is OPEN SOURCE when the source of vbSEO is encoded (even on pirated versions)? nuSEO is most definitely not using any of the source from vbSEO, and is fair competition.

Despite rumors to the contrary, there are no reliable means of decoding the latest ioncube and zend encoding methods.

[Lizard King]

It is not insulting it is the truth. Compare the features everythign is same so there is nothing insulting in this.

If i said he stole the ripped the code of vBSEO then you may call it insulting but i didn't have a claim like that since i don't have a chance to compare both product codes.

So don't play with the words...

[Attilitus]

How did he steal the ENCODED code of vbSEO. There are no reliable means of decoding the latest ioncube and zend encryption methods. There has never been an open source pirated version of vbseo. The pirated version that was released was actually encrypted, but the licensing system was circumvented.

[Lizard King]

(Not that they are shortcomings for us all, but they stop some people from buying the product.)

Crawlability INC. has a right to choose which type of boards can use their product. The product allows you to gain better rankings in serarch engines. In a way vBSEO handles the sites most marketing strategies and Crawlability Inc choose not to market some type of boards which are all mentioned in EULA. Only respective companies can choose this way because if they didn't have an EULA like this they will easily double their sales. But respect is way more important then money. You shall realise this also...

How did he steal the ENCODED code of vbSEO. There are no reliable means of decoding the latest ioncube and zend encryption methods. There has never been an open source pirated version of vbseo. The pirated version that was released was actually encrypted, but the licensing system was circumvented.
You are really funny :D

Did i say he steal the code ? No ...
What i say , i cant have any claim like that because i have no chance to check both products codes.

But what i say is on the feature area. Every feature is same with vBSEO even most of the feature names are same. Even a 6 year old kid can see this.

[Attilitus]

I love vbSEO. However, the fact that they limit the content of boards that they sell their software too makes it lucrative to offer a similar product without those content restrictions.

I didn't say vbSEO didn't have the right, I simply said that they censorship is a limitation for their software that developers such as the developer of NuSEO are perfectly justified in trying to profit from.

Sorry. I misread this quote:

If i said he stole the ripped the code of vBSEO then you may call it insulting but i didn't have a claim like that since i don't have a chance to compare both product codes.

I missed the "If I said" :) My mistake.

Regardless, he is perfectly justified in creating a product similar to vbseo. He is not behaving unethically.

[Lizard King]

Regardless, he is perfectly justified in creating a product similar to vbseo. He is not behaving unethically.

Noone expect coder of the product can know that...

[Attilitus]

What do you mean by that?

Edit: ... Vague accusations and implied meanings have no place here. If you have an accusation to make regarding the developer of nuSEO, just make it.

[Lizard King]

What do you mean by that?
The coder i believe ElfMage is the only person who will know all everything on NuSEO.PHP , you cannot say he is not behaving unethically or i can't say he is behaving unethically. Only Elfmage can have the right knowledge on this. We can just have our own judgements.

[Dream]

Attilitus, he didn't say Nuhit stole the code, he said the features were similar.

/me raises the white flag and goes away

[Attilitus]

I know. I misread that quote. Sorry about that. :)

The coder i believe ElfMage is the only person who will know all everything on NuSEO.PHP , you cannot say he is not behaving unethically or i can't say he is behaving unethically. Only Elfmage can have the right knowledge on this. We can just have our own judgements.
Well... he wrote the code of nuSEO himself modeling the features that it offered after vbSEO. He didn't copy the code, because (as I made a bit TOO much of a fuss about) vbSEO is encoded which makes it impossible to steal the source code.

As far as I'm concerned, because he wrote it himself, is selling it for a price lower than vbseo and is offering features that critics of vbseo have wanted, he is behaving ethically.

[Shazz]

vBSEO copyright notice isen't that bad :)
It promotes your forum by showing that there :D

[projectego]

Looks pretty cool so far. I'm looking forward to checking it out when it's released. :)

[Paul M]

Thread closed.

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