Mark As Installed to become Subscriptions

[Dream]

Instead of Installs, we would have Subscriptions.

A user would click "Subscribe for Updates" and it would be included in the subscriptions count.

This would be a better way to keep a install count, it would be more precise, and it would remove the feeling that the current Install count is the exact number of people that installed your mod.

[Paul M]

There are no plans to change the current system.

[Dream]

Ok, I won't be giving you feedback anymore :rolleyes:

[hambil]

Ok, I won't be giving you feedback anymore :rolleyes:
Get used to that :) The .org has some very, very entrenched ideas. It only changes slowly, if at all, and often at the point of a gun of one sort of another ;)

[Paul M]

While anyone is free to make suggestions, that doesn't mean they are going to happen.

We all have real lives and a limited amount of time to spend on vb.org projects - the installs system may not be perfect, but it does the job and has stood the test of time well - so no, there are no plans to change it. I'm sorry if some people cannot handle being told this, but that's how it is. :cool:

[Dream]

It was a suggestion, not a demand. You didn't have to reply at all. You shot a feedback discussion.

[Yours Truly]

There are no plans to change the current system.
Until they get an awesome suggestion i guess would be better?

[hambil]

Mod developers have been complaining about "click to install" for as long as I've been here. And the staff has been refusing to listen for just as long. Even developers who become staff stop listening on this subject, so clearly the entrenched staff most feel strongly enough about it that you need to agree to survive with them. Or, perhaps they just discuss things in private and some staff has to bite their tongue in public and defend the decisions, even if they don't agree. Providing a unified front is good I guess.

My point, this is a hot topic, and change on it will someday happen. Another hot topic used to be titles, and the staff was just as stick in the mud about changing that. In the end they did though, and now we're all just 'coder' and/or 'designer'.

They will see the light on this, eventually. Probably when some of the old staff retires.

[Smoothie]

What I would think would work even better, make the download link combined with the mark as installed link, this way it automatically updates the number of installs and also provides subscribed updates.

[Paul M]

It was a suggestion, not a demand.Who said it was a demand then ?

You didn't have to reply at all. You shot a feedback discussion.True, I could have just ignored it, knowing full well that no changes are planned - but then of course you would start to moan that the staff are ignoring you (see below). I opted to inform you.

Mod developers have been complaining about "click to install" for as long as I've been here. And the staff has been refusing to listen for just as long. Even developers who become staff stop listening on this subject, so clearly the entrenched staff most feel strongly enough about it that you need to agree to survive with them. Or, perhaps they just discuss things in private and some staff has to bite their tongue in public and defend the decisions, even if they don't agree. Providing a unified front is good I guess.

My point, this is a hot topic, and change on it will someday happen. Another hot topic used to be titles, and the staff was just as stick in the mud about changing that. In the end they did though, and now we're all just 'coder' and/or 'designer'.

They will see the light on this, eventually. Probably when some of the old staff retires.That's so far off being true it's almost funny. Who are these "old" staff exactly ?

[hambil]

Who said it was a demand then ?

True, I could have just ignored it, knowing full well that no changes are planned - but then of course you would start to moan that the staff are ignoring you (see below). I opted to inform you.

That's so far off being true it's almost funny. Who are these "old" staff exactly ?
Since you quoted the entire post can I assume it is all hilariously off the mark? Or was it just some of what I said you are referring too?


Are you saying that my assertion that change at the .org takes time is hilarious? Or that some new staff members seem to have reversed their public opinions on certain issues (not just this one) after becoming staff is hilarious? BTW: That's not a criticism. Becoming staff usually does change some of what people think or at least how they present it, for many reason.

Is my contention that older staff have set beliefs on things like the install button and coding for profit hilariously off the mark? Are you really going to make me search and quote Danny, Princeton, And Zach 1 & 2? Yes, some of the big holdouts have moved on now, like Edwin (again, not a criticism, just a statement of fact about how some people felt on some topics). But, to say that older staff with entrenched views doesn't exist seem spurious to me.

I think some people might be seeing this as argumentative or critical, but it's not meant to be. What I'm saying is that change takes time, especially on big boards, and that change usually comes with staff shakeups. We only have to go back a few months to Marco's stepping in to see evidence of that. Almost all boards work this way. So my point was to try and not get frustrated (specifically addressing Dreams comment of "Ok, I won't be giving you feedback anymore") and if you feel strongly about an issue just keep bringing it up for debate now and again.

[Paul M]

Are you really going to make me search and quote Danny, Princeton, And Zach 1 & 2? Yes, some of the big holdouts have moved on now
Joe (Princeton) only joined the staff two months before myself, and Danny five months before that (a month after Chris M btw). As for Zach 1 and 2 - Zachariah joined at the same time as me (May last year) - leaving the only real "oldie" as Zachery, who I believe came over as a moderator from vbulletintemplates. So yes, I find your assertion that the staff is full of 'oldies' with set beliefs quite funny. :) There have been more changes (some more visible than others) in the last six months than I had seen in the previous two years - most of those down to the work and decisions of the staff members you think set in their ways. :cool:

More changes will happen over the next 6/12 months as well, but the current install system is not part of them (apart from the addition mentioned in another thread somewhere). As for change being slow - yes it is, of course it is - because as I already said, and has been repeated many times in the past, everything is done by us in our own (unpaid) time - and I personally have 40 or so modifications to support as well (again in my own, unpaid time).

[Guest190829]

I do not see why this has turned into an argument?

Paul is being honest, at this current moment we do not have any plans to change the system. Saying the staff is entrenched in our own ideas, I feel, is a blind attack. We are progressing. Things take time. We are all volunteers here.

[hambil]

I do not see why this has turned into an argument?

Paul is being honest, at this current moment we do not have any plans to change the system. Saying the staff is entrenched in our own ideas, I feel, is a blind attack. We are progressing. Things take time. We are all volunteers here.
I certainly appreciate the change that has occurred here in recent months. And although I still have some differences (install button, paid mods directory) I do see a lot of progress being made, and I am grateful for it. I recognize also that you are all volunteers. However, so are we :) In regards to your limited time, it should be mentioned that coders here (including me) have offered (even almost begged) numerous times for improvement projects to be opened up to the community, but it's always been turned down.

[Guest190829]

I certainly appreciate the change that has occurred here in recent months. And although I still have some differences (install button, paid mods directory) I do see a lot of progress being made, and I am grateful for it. I recognize also that you are all volunteers. However, so are we :) In regards to your limited time, it should be mentioned that coders here (including me) have offered (even almost begged) numerous times for improvement projects to be opened up to the community, but it's always been turned down.

My 'we' included you and all the other coders. :)

In regards to people working on projects as a community, that is not a viable option.

It would take an even more amount of time in validating and authenticating the code that gets uploaded to this server. It would require to moderate for both unintentional and intentional exploits and inefficient code that could harm the website.

We are not asking your code, just your patience.

[UltimateOreo!]

If everyone will recall this line from "My Humps" From Fergie (A song)
She simply states" No no, drama, i dont want no drama"

SAME GOES HERE. :D

[Dream]

True, I could have just ignored it, knowing full well that no changes are planned - but then of course you would start to moan that the staff are ignoring you (see below). I opted to inform you.

I wasn't gonna "moan" -_- wth are you taking me for? A baby that gets mad when things don't go his way?

About the staff being volunteers, this would only take phrase changes from Install to Subscriptions, nothing more would need to be done.

I posted this suggestion to be discussed by the community, not to "moan". Is that how you view all users here, people that "moan"? Or just me? This tells a lot of a community, for me at least.