vb.org is not going right

[Ziki]

The past two years vb.org has gone through many changes.I would like to say
NO!

Most of us don't like the changes and especially the style.vB.org is an addictive site and I say that breaking habbits is not easy.We loved vb.org just like it was before.This will only lead to more threads like this.I beg for vb.org to return as it was before.Please

[djbaxter]

1. get over it - nothing stays the same unless it's in terminal decay approaching extinction

2. if you don't like this style, change it in User CP | Options - this is not rocket science

[Regs]

Do they have cheese in Slovakia?

:rolleyes:

[Shazz]

Really? Poll is still up
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=135834&page=2

[Ziki]

I loved the dark blue :(((

[Ramsesx]

Most of us don't like the changes and especially the style.
Who do you mean with "most of us"?
I think the most important thing is the content of a site and not the style.
I like the new style b.t.w. hm or should I say, the most of us? :rolleyes:

[Adrian Schneider]

Yep, speak for yourself. ;)

I think it looks good, but could have been done better (though EVERYTHING on every site could have been done better). It will take getting used to, then you will like it. My only complaint is the width, I want it about 90% which I accomplished using GreaseMonkey, but the image is messed up and I don't have the patience to resize it. :p

[RedTyger]

I have never, in all the forums I've dealt with, seen a change where people did not immediately ask for things to be put back how they were and complain about the differences between the old and new. It always happens. Every single time. Then they get used to it, they settle down and they get over it. And all is well with the world.

Please, don't speak on behalf of other people. It's rude and baseless. Besides, any tweaking that needs to be done will be done.

[---MAD---]

Yeah its fine. A few improvements can be made though and hopefully they will get on to improving things shortly :p.

[Mr Pink]

I think vB.org's Team would have to give possibility to use them to our. https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/

I loved the dark blue :(((

I have re-created it, in local. But it's copyrighted by vB.org, so we can't use it. https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/

[Brandon Sheley]

I don't know about you guys but I dig the new style :)

and yes, there are some things that could be improved on, but everything can be improved on ;)

I hope the new look with breath a new life into the place.

[Paul M]

Most of us don't like the changes and especially the style.vB.org is an addictive site and I say that breaking habbits is not easy.We loved vb.org just like it was before.This will only lead to more threads like this.I beg for vb.org to return as it was before.PleaseMost of us ?? - I think you need to check your facts on that one.

The change is permanant, so I suggest you save your begging for something else. :cool:

[Mr Pink]

The change is permanant, so I suggest you save your begging for something else. :cool:

Don't you allow to re-select oldest styles?

[Paul M]

The old styles have all been deleted.

[Mr Pink]

Ok. Thanks for reply.

[DaPro]

With the wider option in the options, its easier for me to work with this now, was so cramped before, however the design still needs more change or was the goal to stick with the default vB design?

[PennylessZ28]

Why bother making suggestions, the Administrators of this site clearly are going to do what they want.

Alot of people are complaining about the nav bits and the fact you can't go back to the forums with out clicking the stupid FORUMS tab!!!

Might as well end this thread. It's pointless.

[Adrian Schneider]

You can click on the "VBULLETIN MODS" text to go back to the forums.

[Paul M]

Why bother making suggestions, the Administrators of this site clearly are going to do what they want.You haven't made any suggestions, just posted pointless oversized rants about things being crap (across multiple threads as well).

If you can't post in a civilised manner then don't bother posting at all.

[Shelley_c]

People are easily pleased. Minimum effort went into the style(s) as it's clearly default. Bit of advise, your wasting your time unless your comments are of a positive nature.

As sir adrian suggested the fluid (blue lagoon) would look better at 90% width.

edit: I mean't the fixed width would look better at 90%

[DaPro]

Why bother making suggestions, the Administrators of this site clearly are going to do what they want.

Alot of people are complaining about the nav bits and the fact you can't go back to the forums with out clicking the stupid FORUMS tab!!!

Might as well end this thread. It's pointless.

I agree, the attitude here is that the change has been made and live with it, even though that is true and I understand that the changes are here to stay, that doesn't mean you can't make a new style with some of our suggestions, possibly upgrading the old style to work with the new changes would be cool.

The whole "deal with it" attitude is really not needed. Sorry but the response from some of the admins has been very negative to any feedback talking about the bad points to this new look. Got to take the good with the bad -_- not just say "take your suggestions (begging) elsewhere..."

- John

[Princeton]

With the wider option in the options, its easier for me to work with this now, was so cramped before, however the design still needs more change or was the goal to stick with the default vB design?
yes, the goal was to stick with a default vbulletin look ...

if we wanted to change the look we could have easily done so

[Shelley_c]

No need to get on the defensive side princeton he's/she's just suggesting that there is room for improvement.

[Paul M]

not just say "take your suggestions (begging) elsewhere..."I did not actually say "take your suggestions elsewhere" :)

I beg for vb.org to return as it was before.The change is permanant, so I suggest you save your begging for something else


If people have genuine useful suggestions, and post them in a constructive manner, then they will be noted and considered - but that does not mean they will be acted upon - some may, some may not - in many cases things are now done in alternative ways, and people will just have to get used to those new ways. That's life.

There is always room for improvement, but the style(s) have not even been live for 24 hours yet so no one is going to rush into any changes.

One thing that we will not consider, or take notice of, are rants & posts like "it's crap", "it's stupid", or even things like "go back to the old style" - these really are of no use to us or anyone else.

[Shelley_c]

Exactly were in this thread have the community said "the style looks crap" or "it's bad" in those short and brief statements your stating/assuming paul?

The community was expecting alot more than 4 custom logos because that's what you have given back 4 custom logos and default styles.

Another observation. Why run a poll asking what colours the community want if vb.org have already designed these styles? Doesn't make sense.

4 custom logos is all you've given back. Can't argue with the facts and with relation to your statement that's an assumption because noone in this thread has made such a statement in the brief wording you assumed.

[djbaxter]

Why all the whining, people?

On my forum, I choose the colors, styles, buttons, etc., as I see fit, the same way I choose which add-ons I install. I may ask for opinions from my members but I don't think that implies that the members will make the final decision - my forum, my decision.

What's different about vbulletin.org?

[Paul M]

Exactly were in this thread have the community said "the style looks crap" or "it's bad" in those short and brief statements your stating/assuming paul?I didn't actually say just this thread.

[Shelley_c]

Maybe keep the thread on topic (as you always say to everyone). Maybe you'll notice that people did make suggestions (which have gone ignored).

practice what you preach paul and keep it on topic. The other threads and comments are made by other members of the community. common sense prevails and a little descretion.

[Paul M]

I'm well aware that suggestion(s) are buried in the noise of this thread. I'm sure Joe will take note of any. To say they have been ignored is somewhat ridiculous, even if any suggestions were to be implemented, it wouldn't be within a few minutes/hours of them being made.

[Kirk Y]

Why all the whining, people?

On my forum, I choose the colors, styles, buttons, etc., as I see fit, the same way I choose which add-ons I install. I may ask for opinions from my members but I don't think that implies that the members will make the final decision - my forum, my decision.

What's different about vbulletin.org?

What's different? Oh, I'd say about 160,000 members and nearly 1 million posts. :)

When your site caters to people, it needs approval by those people -- if the people aren't happy, then there goes your business - or website, as the case may be.

[PennylessZ28]

I'm surprised, deleted my comments and didn't even send me a PM or reprimand.

[Shazz]

I'm surprised, deleted my comments and didn't even send me a PM or reprimand.

You seem to be repeating yourself in many of these threads :eek:

[Cap'n Steve]

There really are a lot of whiners on this site. What specifically don't you guys like?

I'm not sure about the color of the new style, a choice with something darker might be nice in the future, and I can't seem to find a search link anywhere, but the organization is great. Looking at a hack thread is just so much nicer with this style.

[Shazz]

There really are a lot of whiners on this site. What specifically don't you guys like?

I'm not sure about the color of the new style, a choice with something darker might be nice in the future, and I can't seem to find a search link anywhere, but the organization is great. Looking at a hack thread is just so much nicer with this style.

Just asking that question will have them repeat themselves again.. :eek:
Read around all the site feedback threads :)

[Paul M]

and I can't seem to find a search link anywhere, but the organization is great. Looking at a hack thread is just so much nicer with this style.The search dropdown links are the little black arrow, just right of the search button.

[Cap'n Steve]

Well now I feel dumb. It just takes some getting used to I guess.

[captainslater]

The search dropdown links are the little black arrow, just right of the search button.
Maybe you'll open a thread where all changes are listed or a FAQ-Thread with some of the questions which are coming up these days?

[djbaxter]

What's different? Oh, I'd say about 160,000 members and nearly 1 million posts. :)

When your site caters to people, it needs approval by those people -- if the people aren't happy, then there goes your business - or website, as the case may be.

Perhaps. But you're never going to be able to please everyone. Apparently there are more people happy than unhappy: see https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=135834. That makes it seem that all the fuss and kafuffle is a very noisy (and very whiny) minority.

[WhaLberg]

As Heraclitus said: "Πάντα xoῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει" -> "Everything flows and nothing stands still"

So, the new face of vB.org is not bad, it's excellent. And it's not important how it looks, it's important how -much- it helps.

Your sincerely.

[Ziki]

so I suggest you save your begging for something else. :cool:

ok I beg for you to forgive me :p

[SaN-DeeP]

After looking at poll results I would comment old style should also be available as an option for users who are not yet addicated to new styles :D

[da420]

lol it's already been mentioned that the old styles have been deleted and they are not coming back... so your requests on that particular subject are falling on deaf ears... :P

[akanevsky]

Apparently there are more people happy than unhappy

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to praise the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than ass-kissers. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, for certains parts of the new site are just entirely wrong and one in one's right mind can't honestly think otherwise. :(

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to praise the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than ass-kissers. Sorry, but that's the sad truth,
Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to critisize the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than taking every opportunity to protest against something. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, :)

[akanevsky]

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to critisize the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than taking every opportunity to protest against something. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, :)

True that, but in my not so humble opinion, only constructive feedback should be taken into the account - because polls and blank statements like "omg, the new layout is rocks" or "omg, the new layout sucks" do not really mean anything. But unfortunately, you guys are not even asking for constructive feedback. And when posts with constructive feedback appear, you guys seem to just ignore those. Can I ask why?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

You can find many posts where staff is asking for constructive feedback. All constructive feedback is considered, and might make it into the vB.org whenever time and our planning permits it.

[Paul M]

Just because every suggestion is not instantly (or ever) implemeted does not mean it's being ignored, all are read, some are done, some are noted for later, some will simply not be done.

Jelsoft do not implement every suggestion for vbulletin, but I don't see you posting over there about being ignored.

Sadly, some people just like to criticise for the sake of it, they are the posts most likely to be ignored.

[Mark.B]

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to praise the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than ass-kissers. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, for certains parts of the new site are just entirely wrong and one in one's right mind can't honestly think otherwise. :(
I disagree. I have a lot of respect for you and your coding skills, so I realise you feel strongly on this issue, and I therefore respect your stance.

However, as an experienced forum admin but someone who is not an expert coder like yourself, to me I find the new style cosmetically very smart and pleasing. That doesn't mean it's wrong for you to dislike it, but it doesn't make me an ass-kisser.

Obviously something new isn't going to please everyone - that's impossible, but I ask that you reconsider branding those of us who like it as "ass-kissers". I have no reason to ass-kiss, I am just a user of the site, and I quite like what they've done to update it.

[akanevsky]

You can find many posts where staff is asking for constructive feedback. All constructive feedback is considered, and might make it into the vB.org whenever time and our planning permits it.

Good to know. :) Most of the suggestions that I am going to post in another thread are simple to implement, so hopefully you guys are going to draw from there.

Jelsoft do not implement every suggestion for vbulletin, but I don't see you posting over there about being ignored.

That is because, in my opinion, vBulletin, ever since the 3.5 release, has everything it needs as a bulletin board engine. I would not be bothered if a new version was never released. :rolleyes:

That doesn't mean it's wrong for you to dislike it, but it doesn't make me an ass-kisser.

Correct, but please note the keyword "may". It means that some of the people who posted appraisals might be ass-kissers, while some are not, and that the statement should not be taken personally except by those who feel they belong to the worse half. :)

[PennylessZ28]

Actually there have been a lot of the same repeat complaints about the new style, but the only reply has been, to "deal with it".

So far we have seen people complain about the navigation and search changes. Seem like reasonable areas of interest to complain about. Not like people are complaining about colors, more so EASE OF USE.

oh, I guess that wasn't constructive, whats a guy to do :(

Heres my biggest complaint, no other forum works like this, but you insist on forcing us to click the forums tab every time we want to go back to the top most level of the forum. FORUMHOME

However, is you are posting a new thread it shows the full forum bit trail. Now whats that about?

[Lionel]

vb.org being mainly for mods, I think that modifications should have a more prominent position. I miss the easeness to locate the new mods on the right side of homepage and resent having to scroll down to find new mods. Maybe you guys could consider of making it the first item on the left side?

I also miss that green that I have been using for more than 6 years.

[SkyCatcher]

vb.org being mainly for mods, I think that modifications should have a more prominent position. I miss the easeness to locate the new mods on the right side of homepage and resent having to scroll down to find new mods. Maybe you guys could consider of making it the first item on the left side?

I also miss that green that I have been using for more than 6 years.

I agree with that. I'm not commenting on the layout right now as I'm still not 100% about how I feel about it. What I can say right now, though, is that I love the new look for the actual mod-release post, but what I would really appreciate is the "portal" reverting some of it's former elements back to their original position such as new mods for 3.6 and 3.5 being on the right top of the portal page.

[StuntFactoryX]

i like the colors... things i miss or maybee just havent found yet...

1. the module on home page that shows new released styles/templates

2. on the new hacks released module i miss where it showed the number of installs... i liked that cuz its a good indicator if the hack is really hot.

3. being able to search mods by number of installs.

4. lastly and its probably here and i just havent found it yet is in the quick links i could find my installed hacks.

i was a big fan of smooth blue.. i do miss it right now... but i really havent given the new vb.org a chance yet. im a little lost on here.. but im sure the more i use it it will grow on me.

[Lionel]

but im sure the more i use it it will grow on me.

LOL, we haven't got much choices, do we? We will not be able to keep on crying forever.:eek:

[peterska2]

the installed hacks link is now located in the usercp dropdown menu.

[Paul M]

3. being able to search mods by number of installs.
You have never been able to search by install count.

You could sort a modification forum by install count, and still can.

[StuntFactoryX]

You have never been able to search by install count.

You could sort a modification forum by install count, and still can.

thats what i was referring too... i still havent found it yet... i was on top of mod forum.. i thought... ill figure it out... just gotta play some more :)

[Paul M]

It's where it's always been, see below.

[djbaxter]

Apparently you are not taking into the account that some of the people who are getting out of their way to praise the changes to the best of their abilities may actually be no more than ass-kissers. Sorry, but that's the sad truth, for certains parts of the new site are just entirely wrong and one in one's right mind can't honestly think otherwise. :(

Well, thank you. As someone who likes the new style and new site layout, I'll take that as a compliment, even if apparently I'm not in my right mind.

I might point out, though, that deciding whether people are in their right minds is what I do for a living so I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

[StuntFactoryX]

It's where it's always been, see below.

hmm maybee i was dreaming it :confused:

on the smooth blue skin in the mod forum for like 3.6 add ons for example (forumdisplay.php)

wasnt the "display options" on the top of forum and in the "sorted by" wasnt one of the options "number of installs"

so it would sort the most installed hacks first... maybee i was thinking of another site :confused:

im just happy vb.org is here to use.

[Paul M]

I only used the green styles, so I can't say if smooth blue had that option.

[Billspaintball]

Importantly from my pov, the new style only takes about 1/4 the time to load a page.
This is a huge difference for may and makes the site much more useable.

[smacklan]

I think from a functionality and content perspective, you folks have done a bang up job and I appreciate the hard work you've done for free on the community's behalf :)

[Brad]

People will always complain about changes but then we get used to the new way of doing things and move on with our lives. There are going to be kinks in the new layout, that's just how things go when you deploy so many changes on such a large user base.

You guys have been asking for change for years now and you're finally getting it :). I'm sure they're working on bigger and better things for us all in private so lets cut 'em some slack and deal with the quirks until they get fixed.

Importantly from my pov, the new style only takes about 1/4 the time to load a page.
This is a huge difference for may and makes the site much more useable.

You and me both. Things are so much better on this side of the modem on the new style ;).

[Xoligy]

I think they're reluctant to bring back the old styles because it's harder for them to maintain 2 skins.

[Xoxideforums]

Alot of people here are forum administrators themselves, which shocks me to hear any complaints about change. As an admin you should know that changes have to be made, especially if you want your site to be cutting edge.

Take some time, learn the new format, there are alot of good features with this new skin.

[COBRAws]

I find it hard to browse the navbar, it is supposed to be the first/second board where Jelsoft's Customers go and grab downloads/mods. How are they supposed to learn and get used to the navbar and so many other things that are unique (and hard to find) here at vb.org?

Im my opinion, this should have the default navbar links, header and extra options like now, the tabs and seach box where you can define what do you want to search.

Keep it simple, not every user on this board has been using vbulletin for 8 years (??)

[Quillz]

The past two years vb.org has gone through many changes.I would like to say
NO!

Most of us don't like the changes and especially the style.vB.org is an addictive site and I say that breaking habbits is not easy.We loved vb.org just like it was before.This will only lead to more threads like this.I beg for vb.org to return as it was before.Please
Conservatism is never a good thing. Sure, the old design was nice, but times change, and so should design.

[Orcun]

Is there a way to get this CSS based Blue Lagon design ? I Liked IT !

[mtha]

When you introduce something new, there's always ppl who like it, and not like it. I would say the ratio is usually about 5-5 or 4-6 one way or the other, unless you make something super good or super bad compare to the old one (which rarely happen)

So, says IF you switch back to the old one, there will also be alot or "other half" will raise their voice and say they don't like it, asking to use the "new" one, what would you do?

The admin, or whoever in charge have to decide, and the admins here did make the decision to make the changes THIS YEAR, so why don't ppl live with it, and make it/suggest it the way you like.

For example, someone don't like the nav bar, make contributive suggestion on how the nav bar can be improved. it's be more effective than yelling all day long :)

I personally like the new style, except that I miss some of the quick links for All my installed hacks, new hacks ...

[noppid]

Well, the styles have changed for the better at least. The green is awsome. The sectioning is very well thought out it seems and I have been able to navigate after only a couple quick visits and get anywhere I need to be.

Great work folks! A lot of thought obviously went into it.

As for positive change, I'll stop right here on a high note.

[Paul M]

I personally like the new style, except that I miss some of the quick links for All my installed hacks, new hacks ...The quick links are there, in the usercp dropdown.

[CSS59]

HE HE I was under the impression that people that run these kind of sites would not +++++ about changes?guess I was wrong

I hate it when my users complain about change. .

PS: you guys thinking about making some buttons to match the new skin? I don't like the default vb buttons https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/external/2009/04/16.gif

[salata]

most important thing is the content of a site and not the style.


yup.

[Attilitus]

I cannot seem to find much negative feedback aside from the OP. o_O

There are some things, mostly minor, that I dislike about the changes, and I can see why some would be upset as it is a big change. Regardless, however, I really would not expect this kind of message board "drama" on a board where the members are composed of board-owners who actually have some perspective.

*post doesn't get deleted*

[Shazz]

Looks like it will be a sad day. 1 post down.

Why are my posts being deleted?

Is this your 4th post in a row being deleted lol?

The thread keeps getting bumped

Importantly from my pov, the new style only takes about 1/4 the time to load a page.
This is a huge difference for may and makes the site much more useable.

This wasen't the same on the old style?

[Attilitus]

This style does load faster...

I am disappointed in the way that people are handling the style change. All forums undergo changes, and the member-base hates them, forum-owners ought to step back and see things from the staff's perspective.

However, the staff here should understand that they need to let the memberbase +++++ and moan a bit, otherwise the negative feelings are only going to grow and cause more problems. Censoring critisism creates far more issues than allowing it to persist.

[Shazz]

This style does load faster...

I am disappointed in the way that people are handling the style change. All forums undergo changes, and the member-base hates them, forum-owners ought to step back and see things from the staff's perspective.

However, the staff here should understand that they need to let the memberbase +++++ and moan a bit, otherwise the negative feelings are only going to grow and cause more problems. Censoring critisism creates far more problems than allowing it to persist.

I could never tell the difference between just the old style and new style... when the new style is more complex but it loads faster? mmm anyway

Theres already many negative threads about the new style... It should all just be merged into one..

[Attilitus]

I was using smooth-blue which, although it did load pretty fast, sometimes had rendering issues that took a few seconds to resolve. This style has a smaller file-size and less images, so I fail to see why there would be any reason for it to not load faster than the previous image-heavier styles.

I was using smooth blue, however, so I am unsure of how this stacks up against some of the other old-options.

[djbaxter]

Why are my posts being deleted?
Perhaps because beyond being insulting and abusive they add nothing to what you've already said? I saw the original post in my notification - I think it's already clear that you don't like the style but to use terms like "laziness", "not even a mediocre style", "your bog standard hideous default crap", "bullshit style", etc., and to imply that people who like it are ignorant sycophants is simply unprofessional. Some people (including me) like simplicity and find many of the styles overbearing and overloaded. That doesn't make them ignorant any more than it makes you ignorant for preferring something fancier.

There are some things, mostly minor, that I dislike about the changes, and I can see why some would be upset as it is a big change. Regardless, however, I really would not expect this kind of message board "drama" on a board where the members are composed of board-owners who actually have some perspective.

Exactly. This is the point that I find most surprising, too. Although perhaps add the word "should" before "have some perspective".

[Paul M]

Censoring critisism creates far more issues than allowing it to persist.There is a big difference between critisism and simply insulting the staff and membership in post after post. We don't censor critisism, but we won't tolerate disruptive and insulting behavior.

[PixelFx]

I like the changes here, I think the site needed it. Change is good

[Attilitus]

There is a big difference between critisism and simply insulting the staff and membership in post after post. We don't censor critisism, but we won't tolerate disruptive and insulting behavior.

Well unfortunately disruptive and insulting behavior is a very integral part of +++++ing and moaning. ;)

[Ntfu2]

They made most the changes to the biggest inconviences on the style such as the logo name, breadcrumb navigation, giving fluid widths, different colors and the such.

There really isnt anything wrong with it since thats been fixed and its a super style now :yesway:

[Kirk Y]

Oh, I hadn't noticed the main link was put back in the breadcrumb, yay!

[Necrosaro420]

The past two years vb.org has gone through many changes.I would like to say
NO!

Most of us don't like the changes and especially the style.vB.org is an addictive site and I say that breaking habbits is not easy.We loved vb.org just like it was before.This will only lead to more threads like this.I beg for vb.org to return as it was before.Please

Ill agree. I cant find squat now. Its a ugly style and makes me not even want to visit =(

Or at least add the old style back as an option/skin/theme/whatever.

[Adrian Schneider]

Most of my complaints with the style have been fixed, so at least to me, there is a HUGE difference between constructive criticism and b itching. The only thing that still bugs me is the UserCP / Quick Links menus... PLEASE restore the standard quick links, and either add to them, or add the new links (vB resources) into its own dropdown.

Very frustrating... 99% of vB boards are that way, and when one is different, no matter how hard we try and adjust, the other sites will put us back into our old habits again.

Quick Links
> standard quick lnks here

Resources
> the resources that are currently in the quick links

That'll do :)

[Shazz]

I just reliazed vB.com is running fixed and everyone is now shocked at vB.org :confused:

[dsmoke]

what the heck happened to the sections for diff versions?

[Shazz]

what the heck happened to the sections for diff versions?

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=198

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=164
:confused:

[hotwheels]

Only thing i would have liked is for the actual style to be wider...........the page just seem's so small............but i am sure with time, we will all get used to it.

[Ntfu2]

Most of my complaints with the style have been fixed, so at least to me, there is a HUGE difference between constructive criticism and b itching. The only thing that still bugs me is the UserCP / Quick Links menus... PLEASE restore the standard quick links, and either add to them, or add the new links (vB resources) into its own dropdown.

Very frustrating... 99% of vB boards are that way, and when one is different, no matter how hard we try and adjust, the other sites will put us back into our old habits again.

Quick Links
> standard quick lnks here

Resources
> the resources that are currently in the quick links

That'll do :)

Saves alot of resources though on the server having the links in a drop down like that, and personally i think its quicker to get to whatever section of the UserCP you want to get to

[MRGTB]

Why bother making suggestions, the Administrators of this site clearly are going to do what they want.

Alot of people are complaining about the nav bits and the fact you can't go back to the forums with out clicking the stupid FORUMS tab!!!

Might as well end this thread. It's pointless.

There are quite a lot of us who do like the changes made, like me for example. Also "vB.org" can't be expected to please everybody. They made the changes in there eyes for the better (probably after reading loads of complains about the site navigation and other things) before the new changes were made.

You can see that certain things have been changed for the better after complains before. Like the navigation to the mod downloads section being quite confusing before, now we have a TAB to jump straight to it.

I for one think the changes are a vast improvment from before. So not everybody dislikes it.

[Paul M]

Only thing i would have liked is for the actual style to be wider...........the page just seem's so small............but i am sure with time, we will all get used to it.I take you have missed the many posts explaining the style options in your usercp (inc width).

what the heck happened to the sections for diff versions?Nothing has happened to them, please explain what you mean.

[Adrian Schneider]

Saves alot of resources though on the server having the links in a drop down like that, and personally i think its quicker to get to whatever section of the UserCP you want to get to
That's fine, but they are usually in the quick links section (I don't mind if 2-3 more UserCP related links are added in the appropriate section) but it's very confusing to click on something only to find a completely different list of items than we are accustomed to.

[Billspaintball]

This wasen't the same on the old style?
No.
The old vB.org was so sloooooowwwwww for me.
It really zips aling now. :)

[Immortal_Shades]

Technology is changing everyday, either we adapt and move on or we stay in a rut reminiscing yesteryears. Change is good it shows creativity and progress with the changing times.

(Two Thumbs Up) For a great job on this site and the every evolving look!

[aggiefan]

I personally really like the new theme.... just wish they would release it so I could see how a few things were done.

[Brad]

I personally really like the new theme.... just wish they would release it so I could see how a few things were done.
View -> Page Source. :)

[hotwheels]

I take you have missed the many posts explaining the style options in your usercp (inc width).

Yes i did sir and i set it up to fit my puter............that is great. Thanks.

[JohnBee]

1. get over it - nothing stays the same unless it's in terminal decay approaching extinction

2. if you don't like this style, change it in User CP | Options - this is not rocket science
Where can we change to the old style under UserCP?
All I could find was color variations of the default theme

[Adrian Schneider]

Where can we change to the old style under UserCP?
All I could find was color variations of the default theme
Careful, now! :)

The old style has been removed...

[Grasty]

I dont see what everyone is complaining about... Its just a style. Yea it would have been nice to be able to choose between the old style and this new style but it isnt, so too bad get over it. The one comment I would like to make regarding the tabs at the top (and it might just be me) but for some reason they dont look right to me.

I love the navigation though. The tabs at the top are better laid out so it is 10 times easier to find things. I will admit that when the style changed I did have a hard time finding the graphics threads, but that was simply because I was used to clicking Mods instead of Styles. But once you realize the differences it isnt that huge of a deal.

I read somewhere else that the pm notification was too small, I did like the huge flashing red "You have a private message" that was so distracting that you had no choice but to read the message. However the smaller one catches my attention just as much.

Is there a way to change the time in the top so it isnt military time???? Like is that in options somewhere on my end??? I dont know about everyone else but I dont enjoy doing math trying to figure out the time on peoples posts

-Grasty

[peterska2]

UserCP > User Options > Time Format

You can change this to whatever you prefer.

[hotwheels]

Where can we change to the old style under UserCP?
All I could find was color variations of the default theme

Try this:

[Kirk Y]

Almost like having the old style back? Oookay...

[Orcun]

Guys,I asked before but got no reply :(
Is there a way to download this style ?

What I mean is only the new color options and quick search.
I dont want Home, Forums,Articles,Mods etc. tab.

[peterska2]

This style is not available for download, and it is not going to be as it contains a lot of custom code used here.

[Orcun]

Can I have te color codes for CSS then ?

[da420]

You can find it by viewing the page source.

[Orcun]

Yee! clientscript/vbulletin_css/style-445bbcdb-00023.css pretty works!

[Shazz]

Can I have te color codes for CSS then ?

The staff will not release anything that is related to vB.org (custom things)

[Noiz Pollution]

sadly i think one of two things will happen as far as users who don't like the changes are concerned, they'll either give in eventually and stop complaining or they'll eventually stop coming back because the style puts them off

i think the change has been far too abrupt, the change was too sudden and should've been more gradual and subtle and thus people would not be quite so "OMG IT F*CKING SUCKS!"

personally the new style does nothing for me, i don't find it aesthetically pleasing at all, given the wealth of designer talent who frequent this site i'm really quite disappointed with how it looks, it may sound harsh but i think it looks like it's been designed by a programmer instead of a designer, a few of the older designs (not all of them, some of them were ghastly) made me want to look at them, this makes me want to go somewhere else

[MRGTB]

Accually, I think there are bigger concerns right now about this site than the new skin.

I've noticed for a while since the "PAID SERVICE" was introduced that a lot less help has been forth coming to simple coding problems posted here, not like it used to be anymore. It just seems these days, less and less coders can be bothered to go out there way and post answers to questions. And I blame this on the paid service. It's as though coders are hanging back in the hope they will offer money to have the problem fixed after getting no help for free (Paid Service again).

This trend has been getting worse, I just don't look upon this site anymore as a great place were I expect to get answers. And if I do, I concider myself being lucky. Originally, I bought vBulletin because of the vB.org hacks, but mainly because of the help you knew you would get here also back then.

But I'd not think that same way anymore because of changes you've made last year which has effected this greatly. Sometime I wonder!

[Attilitus]

Unfortunately, "the community" is made up of human beings whom are not owned nor employed by jelsoft, and thus should you should not feel any sense of "entitlement" for their free services.

I will add, however, that I have not noticed the same kind of trend as you. I find that great free hacks are being released more or less at the same frequency, and I still get fast responses to any questions that I pose.

[Sean S]

Personally I like the new changes that are released so far, though I agree with some of the points made about the style, it is something that has to be improved over time I guess since there are so many different opinions.

I for one am use to busy looking styles, though I know how it could get confusing for some, this style tends to make the site look a bit more populated and active than it might really be.

Few suggestions that I could make for now would be to design better buttons and icons, I know that the goal is to keep the style close to the default look, but the default look is not the perfect look in my opinion.

also at the very top "unread messages" is a smaller font size then the rest of the welcome message. It's a very small change and it doesn't really matter, but thought I would just point it out.

[Greek76]

I do miss the blue skin but whats so hard about navigating on this new templae? Mods, articles, styles are up on top just click and they pop up. Good job guys this forum is great.