May Hack of the Month pulled...

[hambil]

Just curious, since I was in it :(

[Chris M]

Due to current events taking place, it has been decided to remove this month's HOTM thread, and the users hacks which are not in question will be added back when the thread is restored after the new candidates have been added...

Chris

[hambil]

Guess I need to edit my sig ;)

[Logikos]

I finally get my hack in this poll with a semi chance to win and you pull it? Why make others suffer on a rule that staff just created today out of no where!

[sabret00the]

lol, does seem a bit wrong to punish everyone.

[Chris M]

Punishment is not the issue here - Fairness is...

Chris

[Logikos]

So you find it fair to take me out of the running when I did nothing wrong? According to your TOS I have did nothing wrong.

The last time someone broke the rules when there hack was apart of the poll. Staff just took that hack out of the poll, not delete the whole friggen thing.

[Ziki]

I still don't get why it was removed

[sabret00the]

Unless all of the hacks had hidden code, i'm not sure how you're being fair to anyone bar the authors? i wouldn't even say you're being fair to the end user who uses HOTM as a means of awareness.

[Logikos]

vBorg just keeps fueling the fire around here.

[Chris M]

As I said, it's about fairness - If you are innocent of any of the current issues being discussed then you have nothing to worry about - Your hack will be added back to the following month's HOTM poll :)

Chris

[Chris M]

Some of the hacks within the poll have this code within them - Since a decision has not yet been reached as to how to proceed with such hacks, removing them half way through the poll when a decision has been reached, and therefore enraging users who have already voted for those removed, and cannot then transfer their vote to another hack would cause alot more problems than simply eradicating it before the issue arises, and adding you to the next HOTM...

Chris

[Logikos]

Thats compleley unfair. The way HOTM works now is that users that use these hacks THIS month get the opportunity to vote for the nominees. Why would I want my hack added to Junes poll when by then, other hacks have been created within that period of time. I only seen one hack in that poll that broke this new rule.

[Chris M]

Just because they have been created does not mean they will get in the HOTM thread - The HOTM system is changing for the better...

Chris

[Ziki]

So the HOTM was quitted now because it contained hidden codes?What kinds

[peterska2]

So the HOTM was quitted now because it contained hidden codes?What kinds

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=115640

[sabret00the]

But then if i release a hack next month, i'm penalised. This is in no way just, you can say it's something you had to do but you can't dress it up as just, that's wrong IMO.

[Logikos]

This is total BS. NEVER ONCE did anyone inform me that my hack was being removed from the poll. I did nothing wrong and find it completley unfair that I and the rest of the nominees have to suffer for a new rule that has gone into effect.

Only one hack had broke this new rule, and this HOTM was posted BEFORE this new rule went into effect. So in theroy, Paul M has done nothing wrong, he followed all the guidlines and desverve to still be apart of the running.

HOTM posted on: May 15, 2006 at 1:00am
New Rule Posted on: May 15, 2006 at 05:59 AM

[Ziki]

Crappy.......Really crappy.Still don't get why would someone do it unless it is a biiiiiiiig board.Just for fun

[sabret00the]

So the HOTM was quitted now because it contained hidden codes?What kinds
From what i can gather as i waste time away upon this Monday Evening, it clicked install for you.

[hambil]

BTW: It's still on the portal page. You get an access denied message.

[Chris M]

I'm sure one of the Admins will address this when they see it :)

@LiveWire - That is not the collective view of the staff here at this site...

It has been removed, that is all there is to it - Whether the HOTM thread is restored in the next few days with the questionable modifications removed from the Poll or not, depends on what we decide to do with it as a staff team - However, for now, to prevent future complaints it has been removed...

Chris

[The Geek]

er - why not just remove the 'deadly, man eating, flesh rotting virus ridden' hacks in question and replace them with the 'runners' up?
Lumping them in to next month will bump legitiamte nominees. This way gives other users a chance to get some of that .org love thats been going around lately.

[Logikos]

lol your getting more complants by removing it. I take back what I said about one hack breaking the new rule. It was 2 hacks. Never the less, both hacks were posted and created and made it to the poll before this went into effect. So since your just being fair and all, are you going to pull Atakan KOC HOTM reward now for last month?


Punishment is not the issue here - Fairness is...


It has been removed, that is all there is to it


Sounds really fair to me... Are you going to compensate us for the days lost? I've been trying to get my hack into the HOTM and I finally do, and now all this happens.

[Chris M]

That is possibly what will happen, however while the thread remains active and the decision made, more and more votes are made for the hacks for removal, and the runners-up then have a disadvantaged start a couple of days later...

This way, if the thread is restored with the runners-up, we have a fairly more even keel of voting :)

Chris

[Chris M]

If the thread is restored, you will have lost maybe 2 or 3 days of voting - At least nobody can continue to vote on the Poll meaning you are disadvantaged...

If the thread is not restored, you will be added to the following month's poll...

Chris

[Logikos]

Adding me to the next months polls is unfair to the users who could have made it in that months poll. You don't seem to understand. Some of us users create a hack in hopes to make it to the poll. Since this is one of the only thing we have that gives use a little spotlight. To just take things down without informing us and hurting others chance to win or get nominated, is just wrong.

Why hasnt the staff did what they did last time and remove the hacks from the poll? Why should those hacks even be penilised for a rule they had no clue about?

[sabret00the]

Adding me to the next months polls is unfair to the users who could have made it in that months poll. You don't seem to understand. Some of us users create a hack in hopes to make it to the poll. Since this is one of the only thing we have that gives use a little spotlight. To just take things down without informing us and hurting others chance to win or get nominated, is just wrong.
quoted for truth

[Chris M]

So you would rather we left it and then tore the thread and votes apart and have the community and hackers in uproar, therefore belittling and making any victory of a deserved winner almost seem like the others were cheated???

As I said, this HOTM may be restored with the runners-up - It is not gone, simply removed from the public eye for the time being...

Chris

[hambil]

Hey, I may be the voice of decent here, but it seems to me that we had a big deal a little while ago about someone linking something in there sig directly to the install button.

It seems logical to me that if such a thing was frowned on, then code in a hack that does the same would also be frowned on. I'm not sure "didn't break an existing rule" is accurate.

[Logikos]

nope heres whats should have been done...

NOTHING!

You shouldn't have done a damm thing. NO ONE has broken ANY rules since that poll was created and even before that poll was created.

[sabret00the]

So you would rather we left it and then tore the thread and votes apart and have the community and hackers in uproar, therefore belittling and making any victory of a deserved winner almost seem like the others were cheated???

As I said, this HOTM may be restored with the runners-up - It is not gone, simply removed from the public eye for the time being...

Chris
i'm saying if you make a rule after the poll has been posted it shouldn't affect the poll, however if it MUST then it must. however to penalise those users and the (month) following users is wrong.

the solution shouldn't effect two month worth of users.

[Chris M]

If you read what I had said, it shouldn't and may not still - I am hoping we can have it restored with the runners up and have the HOTM continue somewhat as normal...

Chris

[Logikos]

Okay Hambil makes a good point... Heres the solution... take the hacks out of the running, or PM the user about the new rule and ask them to remove the code or there hack will be removed from the poll and the forums. If that was the case, then I guess the mods would have alittle bit of work to do to keep the polls fair.

[Guest190829]

No one is being penialized, except for the hacks in question. The poll has been removed temporarily, so the Staff can discuss what to do with the poll. LiveWire, you will be compensated for what is happening. We understand that you are innocent here, and your hack will not be forgotten as we decide what to do with the poll.

[Logikos]

I'm sure I can count on the staff to do the right thing. :rolleyes:

[Chris M]

Want me to fix your dodgy eyes? :p

I'm sure they can be fixed with a bit of araldite :D

Chris

[Logikos]

I'm sorry but I don't find much humor in this anymore.

The facts are this:

A new rule was created because of Paul and a few others
You talked about this in your private forums. (probably more like bashed on these users)
No one was ever contacted about this new up coming rule, at least take a moment to inform the users about the new rule that were currenly breaking the new rule and give them the chance to remove the code.
These hacks were created before this rule went into effect
2 months ago you removed a hack from the poll, not the whole poll. You guys had to clean up a little mess, but thats what mods do. Cry me a river.
You remove the poll with out informing any of the users on here.


You always stress to us to contact you in a pm, blah blah blah, if you have an issue, send a pm.. blah blah blah.. Yet you fail to use it yourselfs. I don't get that.

[Chris M]

Considering the time between the removal of the thread and the time when this post was created was less than 5 minutes, composing a PM to the members involved is not as simply done as a click of the fingers ;)

Chris

[Logikos]

This doesn't rule out that the fact that you never PMed the offending users. Why can't you guess just freaking admit when you do things sloppy. (this isn't towards you peronally Chris, but the staff as a whole)

[Paul M]

What is there to discuss exactly - your own admin stated quite clearly ;

Ken is absolutelly right here, that it was not in the rules that a procedure like that isn't allowed. So as those mods did NOT break the rules written down here.
It's becoming clear to me (and others) now that this is just staff with an axe to grind against certain members. Nothing at all has been learned from the last few days and the way things are going another person will be joining the ranks of those who have left (no doubt to the joy of some).

[Chris M]

The decision was a staff decision and I acted upon it - The PM's were half-way completed in notepad when this thread was made - Once it existed I saw no reason to continue to PM anyone due to the existance of this thread...

Chris

[Logikos]

I understand that. I hold no offence to not PMing me about HOTM. This thread was made very quicly. But...

This doesn't rule out that the fact that you never PMed the offending users. when and before this rule was created. You had weeks to PM them. If you PM them before, none of this would have happen. ;)

Paul is also right. They didn't break any rules. Stright from the admin himself.

[Chris M]

The decision about that is something that has not yet been completely reached - Therefore PM'ing early was not possible...

Chris

[peterska2]

Has no-one actually stopped to consider the number of modifications that are on this site. Yes the staff may well have known about it for weeks, but validating every single modification, which I am sure they will have had to do, takes a lot of time and effort. As none of the staff get paid to do this, they will not have been working on it full time, but fitting it in as and when they could. It is entirely possible that they did not complete this process until today.

[MPDev]

There site, their rules... they have the right to change them as they see fit and to respond to "issues" accordingly. This is not a demoracy and you do not have the right to 'demand' any kind of treatment other than what is afforded you.

I say this because people need to take a step back away from the keyboard and get a fresh perspective. HOTM is not the key to success in life, nor should you put so much value in it that you would willingly spend hours of your day fighting a decision that was made in the best interests of all the members.

You might not like it, but I think the owners of the site are doing the best they can under the circumstances and this is not the way to express your displeasure.

[Chris M]

There site, their rules... they have the right to change them as they see fit and to respond to "issues" accordingly. This is not a demoracy and you do not have the right to 'demand' any kind of treatment other than what is afforded you.

I say this because people need to take a step back away from the keyboard and get a fresh perspective. HOTM is not the key to success in life, nor should you put so much value in it that you would willingly spend hours of your day fighting a decision that was made in the best interests of all the members.

You might not like it, but I think the owners of the site are doing the best they can under the circumstances and this is not the way to express your displeasure.
Very well said - Thank you for your understanding and support :)

Chris

[peterska2]

There site, their rules... they have the right to change them as they see fit and to respond to "issues" accordingly. This is not a demoracy and you do not have the right to 'demand' any kind of treatment other than what is afforded you.

I say this because people need to take a step back away from the keyboard and get a fresh perspective. HOTM is not the key to success in life, nor should you put so much value in it that you would willingly spend hours of your day fighting a decision that was made in the best interests of all the members.

You might not like it, but I think the owners of the site are doing the best they can under the circumstances and this is not the way to express your displeasure.

Very well said. :up:

[Logikos]

/me begins to make kissing sounds

So basicly, I should just shut the hell up and deal with it? Thats a much better way to handle the situation.

[smacklan]

There site, their rules... they have the right to change them as they see fit and to respond to "issues" accordingly. This is not a demoracy and you do not have the right to 'demand' any kind of treatment other than what is afforded you.

I say this because people need to take a step back away from the keyboard and get a fresh perspective. HOTM is not the key to success in life, nor should you put so much value in it that you would willingly spend hours of your day fighting a decision that was made in the best interests of all the members.

You might not like it, but I think the owners of the site are doing the best they can under the circumstances and this is not the way to express your displeasure.
Cheers Mike! I agree!:banana:

[MPDev]

Pretty much. You should let the mods and admins do their job and while it's okay to express an opinion, doing so in such dramatic fashion usually only puts everyone on the defensive and rarely changes the outcome.

[Tralala]

Why not just PM the mod author, he'd fix his hack (remove the auto-click code that is now afoul of some new rule) and then continue along happily?

It seems like all these rash moves (HOTM poll pulled, entire hack threads deleted) are adding fuel to the fire of discontent around here. It's shameful.

[Logikos]

Exacly my point Tralala.

[Floris]

Just curious, since I was in it :(
LOL
If everybody pulled out and you were left over, perhaps you can consider yourself the unofficial winner ;D

[Logikos]

Our hard earn work for this month was trashed and replaced. Its one thing to recreate the HOTM, but to recreate it in the middle of one and rob the users who were in it is another thing.

[MPDev]

Trashed and replaced? Rob users? I assume your mods are still there and functioning as normal; it's not like the modifications themselves were removed.

I think what you mean is, 'My chance for glory was taken away from me.' and so, if it helps, you can have my decal from last months HOTM.

Get over yourself, LW; the drama-queen routinue is wearing thin.

[Logikos]

Someone seems abit jealous of my status around here? Why though, I just code hacks nothing more nothing less.

[Floris]

MPDev: Watch it.

[Rich]

I just took the time to read this and while I don't know you personally MPDev, I dislike you. I have been reading a few of the threds on this site today and you have gotten to be one of the biggest kiss asses I have come across.

I think what you mean is, 'My chance for glory was taken away from me.' and so, if it helps, you can have my decal from last months HOTM.

Get over yourself, LW; the drama-queen routinue is wearing thin.

You don't get it do you? The simplest, and "fairest" thing that could have been done was to either remove JUST those modifications from the running or to privately contact the authors and ask them to remove the hidden code. The contest would have gone on, no one would have been harmed, and this thread would not exist.

Let me make it a bit clearer.

Livewire is concerned because he worked for his position in that poll. If tomorrow the "Myspace Hack" were released, his chances of winning that poll are gone. Why? Because that modification will easily be voted as a winner as it is highly anticipated. THAT little mpdev is the issue here.

HE IS being penalised if that is how this ends up panning out.

For the record, I don't know Livewire personally. I have never chatted with him except maybe in one of his release threads. I have no interest at stake in any of this but I completely understand what the problem is.

I am guessing I see it clearly though because my head is not up the staffs asses. (I am not saying the staff want your head on their ass. It is apparent though that your lips are there.)

[MPDev]

You have status here? My bad, I don't pay that much attention; of the 44 mods I have installed your name hasn't appeared once. I'm sure that isn't a relfection of your ability, I just don't have a clue who you are.

But you do alot more than just code hacks as evidenced by your posts in this forum the past few days. You'll have to excuse me if I chuckle a little, I'm always amazed by people with such big egos that they think it is only their opinion that matters most.

Seriously, if you need a HOTM award that badly; you can have mine. Clearly it means more to you and, well, I'm a sucker for charity cases.

[Xenon]

I think it is enough now. There is no need for personal vendettas in public. Everyone has mentioned his/her point, but the main topic is been way in the background already.

If you still like to continue those personal attacks, we have installed a very nice system: Private Messaging ^^