vBadvanced Gallery - where's it vanished to?

[e-brooker]

> went to vbadvanced.com

> was directed to photopost.com

> no mention of it in 'products'

???

I read there was some 'forced' take-over, but why stop selling it? I prefer it to photopost (it's much better imo) and am a bit peeved it has been gobbled up and shat out like this.

Do they think they are doing themselves any favours for treating a well-liked product and it's users like this?

Has anyone else boycotted photopost as a result?

Is anyone else annoyed it is no longer under the care of the person who nurtured it?

:down:

[CSS59]

I just downloaded it from photopost 2 days ago :)
works good with 3.5.4 :)

[|Jordan|]

Eh? What forced take over? Do tell!

[MRGTB]

Eh? What forced take over? Do tell!

Photopost started court proceeding and Brian settled out of court and gave them the Gallery. I can't comment further than that as only Brian knows what really happened 100%.

[e-brooker]

Eh? What forced take over? Do tell!

This is just posted as 'speculation' (as we wouldn't want to cross any legal boundaries), but I guess the big fish (photopost) thought they would take the little fish (vbadvanced gallery) to court, possibly over something that would be hard to prove - like copying/stealing tiny bits of code (in other words a costly, prohibitive, hard to disprove court case for a small fish).

Thing is both the 'hacks' code/files were availible for everyone to see, so if there was any real code-theft going on, it would have been raised at sites like this one ages ago... (but of course that never happened, think the reason why is obvious - it was unlikely that a real rip-off took place).

Anyway, I'm peeved that there is no mention of it on their homepage under the 'products' section, it's one thing it was 'taken' from its rightfull owner but another it being killed off completely! :ermm:

[KW802]

> went to vbadvanced.com
> was directed to photopost.com
> no mention of it in 'products'
???

http://www.photopost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119665

http://www.photopost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121701

[e-brooker]

http://www.photopost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119665

http://www.photopost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121701

That thread/post was made on the 21st of November its now the 27th of February over THREE months on, yet no mention of vBadvanced Gallery in the 'Products Availible' section on the homepage! :down: :down: :down: :down:

[KTBleeding]

That thread/post was made on the 21st of November its now the 27th of February over THREE months on, yet no mention of vBadvanced Gallery in the 'Products Availible' section on the homepage! :down: :down: :down: :down:
Photopost vBGallery IS vBadvanced Gallery..

[e-brooker]

Theres no mention of that either on the products availible section...

[KW802]

Theres no mention of that either on the products availible section...Did you go to *both* links I provided? ;)

[Protoman]

complete unlocked discussion here:
http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1503

[KW802]

complete unlocked discussion here:Old news. Time to move on. :rolleyes:

[e-brooker]

Did you go to *both* links I provided? ;)

Yes I went to both threads - and thats what they are, threads. There's no mention of vbaGallery (or whatever it is called now) on the main site anywhere - thats what is annoying!!!

It's as if they want to kill it off!

Old news. Time to move on. :rolleyes:

It might be old news for you, but it's not for many others.

Did I read you are now working for photopost? :rolleyes:

[Reeve of shinra]

Its a little disappointing to NOT see vbgallery as a featured product on thier home page especially since alot of staff are pushing new user inquiries towards photopost pro... I understand its a bigger money maker for them but it leaves me wondering if we will ever see continued development of the vbgallery product.

Photopost support though seems to be better than expected... I had one of thier support staff who shall remain namless for the moment actually IM regarding a problem I was having with a mod. Thumbs up on that.

[KW802]

Yes I went to both threads - and thats what they are, threads. There's no mention of vbaGallery (or whatever it is called now) on the main site anywhere - thats what is annoying!!!So maybe the better thing to do would be leave feedback on PhotoPost.com where it would have the most meaning instead of here where it doesn't do much good except for getting people riled up for no reason.
It's as if they want to kill it off!Hardly! Immediately after the transition additional support people were brought in and the existing PP guys are jumping in with support as well. vBGallery is most definitely an important product for them.
It might be old news for you, but it's not for many others.It should be old news for everybody by now. Besides the announcement on vBa, the announcement on PhotoPost, and the countless upon countless threads on the various vB community sites there were also emailings to all registered owners with their account information so that they can download the product from the new site.
Did I read you are now working for photopost? :rolleyes:Since you already read it then you already know the answer to that question. :ermm: But, yes, I am currently part of the PhotoPost team along with several other sites including vBa yet. My joining the PhotoPost team though occurred after the transition was made which means I was like any other customer when the events took place.

Its a little disappointing to NOT see vbgallery as a featured product on thier home page especially since alot of staff are pushing new user inquiries towards photopost pro... I understand its a bigger money maker for them but it leaves me wondering if we will ever see continued development of the vbgallery product.I would like to see vBG on the front page as well but all I can say is that the guys are working on it. As far as pushing which product, I think there is still a bit of the old 'PhotoPost PHP Pro versus vBa Gallery' crowd going on but as some of the more recent threads should show even the most stalwarts of each side are coming to understand that the both products have their place.

Photopost support though seems to be better than expected... I had one of thier support staff who shall remain namless for the moment actually IM regarding a problem I was having with a mod. Thumbs up on that.With everybody quick to proclaims their negatives is nice to see somebody mention their positives as well. :)

[e-brooker]

Kevin you are doing a good job of defending them which, I can understand as you work for them, but unfortunately, the whole thing has left a bad taste in many people's mouths.

I have decided not to buy any photopost products because of the way the rightful owner was treated and the way the product is now being seemingly 'killed off'. In my opinion it's no way to treat your fellow community (coders) or customers (vB users).

[Zachariah]

Works for my site.

I was never a good PR man, but I know it works for my needs.
It worked for my needs when I was doing beta W/ Brian in VB3.0.

/me shrugs ... goes back to cave to code.

[KW802]

Kevin you are doing a good job of defending them which, I can understand as you work for them, but unfortunately, the whole thing has left a bad taste in many people's mouths.It has nothing to do with "defending" them or working for them... I was a vBa Gallery customer going all the way back to the early betas: It was a good product then, remains a good product now, and it continues to be supported and worked on going forward.

I have decided not to buy any photopost products because of the way the rightful owner was treated and the way the product is now being seemingly 'killed off'. In my opinion it's no way to treat your fellow community (coders) or customers (vB users).The product is far from being "killed off" so posting comments like that is just silly. If you choose not to be a PhotoPost customer then that's entirely your perogative but in the real world the product happens to be an excellent choice for vBulletin site owners and has a long life ahead for it, hence the reason why I have purchased several licenses over the years and will continue using it on my sites going forward.

[MPDev]

There have been many factors which have caused a delay in getting our new site deisgn in place; but we have made the product easily available, kept the price the same, supported old and new customers (even offered free 1 year extensions to support for existing customers), brought on dedicated vBGallery support staff and recently posted a dot update to the product to deal with known issues.

Business is business, folks and this discussion played out a long time ago. Nobody was forced to do anything and in the end PhotoPost bought vBGallery, end of story.

PhotoPost continues to look for ways to meet all of our customers needs and will continue to develop all of our products - nobody has been left out in the cold and the product is readily available.

[MRGTB]

What exactly has been fixed in vBGallery since Photopost took over? Talk is cheap, action isn't!!

I own a licence and have choosen not to install it now since you took over after I posted a couple of known issues like the "WHO ONLINE" bug that doesn't display were people are the gallery, along with other known issues that are still there since you took over it, which could have been fixed in minutes (seeing as Brian has already posted fixes for some of them already located on your site in threads). Like the "admin email" address sticking and not being saved in the settings when you exit and so on - which nothing has been done about months later down the line.

No offence, but it does seem as though you have bought it just to sit on it to avoid the compitition it gave you before. With no intentions at all of fixing things reported, just like I have reported right the word go on the first day you owned it. You've now had plenty of time to fix some of these issues reported which you've failed to do. So time scale is no longer an excuse to use!

It didn't take you two mintues to edit a shit load of files to enter your Photopost name in them to be displayed in the footer and admincp as soon as you took it over, pity your not so fast at getting to work on bugs also.

As a license owner, I'm extremly disapointed with Photopost since they took it over, I want to use the Gallery bug free and have gone out my way to report stuff on deaf ears it seems.

[MPDev]

Well, based on your own comments, you haven't been paying very much attention, have you?

You are ceratinly entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean you aren't wrong.

I'm not interested in debating you, Gary; you've made up your mind and I'm not here trying to change it, just stating the facts.

[MRGTB]

Well, based on your own comments, you haven't been paying very much attention, have you?

You are ceratinly entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean you aren't wrong.

I'm not interested in debating you, Gary; you've made up your mind and I'm not here trying to change it, just stating the facts.

I have been taking notice. I have installed it two times after you took over it, to find all the same BUGS still there from when Brian owned it. So don't come with the chat tying to tell people this and that is now fixed.

Because it's not and there still there, just admit it!

[trackpads]

Typical bashing from people who just cant take reality.

Go back to hating Bill Gates folks, nothing to see here :)

MPDEV is right, I use both and love them, find someone with a bigger gallery than me who has problems, until then get off of it.

-Jason

[MPDev]

If you need support, Gary, you know where to go to get it. At this point, you are just trying to pick a fight and I'm not interested.

[MRGTB]

Typical bashing from people who just cant take reality.

Go back to hating Bill Gates folks, nothing to see here :)

MPDEV is right, I use both and love them, find someone with a bigger gallery than me who has problems, until then get off of it.

-Jason

He is not right, and what are you waffling on about Bill Gates for? What's he got to do with the price of eggs.

In his post above he tries to indicate that this and that has now beem fixed (punting for custom is my guess). I "DON'T THINK SO". And I will not see these under handed tricks used to try and get new custom at the expense of bullshit and naive users here who believe everything they read.

Users should known the truth, And I don't care what Photopost think about it! If they don't like it, then they should get to work fixing things a little quicker.

[MPDev]

Well, then, that makes two of us who don't care what the other thinks.

But, having said that, if you truely do want help; you know where to get it.

[e-brooker]

It has nothing to do with "defending" them or working for them... I was a vBa Gallery customer going all the way back to the early betas: It was a good product then, remains a good product now, and it continues to be supported and worked on going forward.


You work for them, whether you like it or not that changes the way you feel/talk about them. Wonder what your stance would be if they didn't take you on as staff? The mind boggles. You should give people more credit, we're not the thick masses who believe all we are told - especially from company employees.

The product is far from being "killed off" so posting comments like that is just silly. If you choose not to be a PhotoPost customer then that's entirely your perogative but in the real world the product happens to be an excellent choice for vBulletin site owners and has a long life ahead for it, hence the reason why I have purchased several licenses over the years and will continue using it on my sites going forward.

No. It's not silly - I feel they are killing it off slowly based on the fact there is NO mention of it months down the line in their 'Products Availible' area of their site. It takes less than 2 minutes to add such a link!!

:ermm:

...but we have made the product easily available..

That's Bull - theres no mention of it in your products availible section (the most important bit where it should be), or indeed anywhere else on your site unless you go to the 'forums'.

Business is business, folks and this discussion played out a long time ago. Nobody was forced to do anything and in the end PhotoPost bought vBGallery, end of story.

Slime. Who do you think you are talking to? We are a COMMUNITY. Yes some members make some money out of it, but we don't take kindly to people getting tucked up! It stinks. And we don't like it.


Nobody was forced to do anything and in the end PhotoPost bought vBGallery, end of story.

Double slime. Do you really think Brian would have sold you his product if you hadn't gone to court? How dare you give us that crap!!

PhotoPost continues to look for ways to meet all of our customers needs and will continue to develop all of our products - nobody has been left out in the cold and the product is readily available.

What good is that now? Months have past and people have now got a good idea about what you're about. You've done yourself no favours. Before this happened your own product had a chance, but now, people will flock to recommend other competiting products because they have NO FAITH in your company. Brand loyalty just went out the window and is now replaced by a dislike of you and your business practises.

When a company makes a big balls up as big as this, there's very rarely a way to turn it round - but you do have a choice. Do the right thing. Give back what you have taken and if there are 'issues', work them out amicably.

[MPDev]

I'll forego a response given the personal nature of your insults.

[KW802]

You work for them, whether you like it or not that changes the way you feel/talk about them. Wonder what your stance would be if they didn't take you on as staff? The mind boggles. You should give people more credit, we're not the thick masses who believe all we are told - especially from company employees.Want to know what happended before I was brought on board? I created a user account in the PP support forums, got my email with my new account information and then went from there. After the transition the product still existed, still worked fine to fit my needs on my sites, and it was alive yet as opposed to some other commercial hacks that have gone out of existence. What was I supposed to do, complain about it on 3rd party sites to try to incite others?

Were you a vBa Gallery customer? Were you a PhotoPost customer at some point in the past? Were you involved in the transition at all? You obviously have a lot of anger built up inside for something that doesn't seem to have affected you.

No. It's not silly - I feel they are killing it off slowly based on the fact there is NO mention of it months down the line in their 'Products Availible' area of their site. It takes less than 2 minutes to add such a link!! :ermm: So this whole tirade is because of a URL link? And, again, if it means that much to you then you should be leaving feedback on the PhotoPost forums where, amongst other people, the owner of the company would see it.

But, then again, by posting it here you were able to drag others into it and revive a dead issue so I guess you got what you really wanted after all. :rolleyes:

I've wasted enough time so I'm just going to leave it wishing you luck on your search for a gallery product. If you're interested in vBGallery I've already provided the links on how to order the product and you're more than welcome to visit the PhotoPost forums to ask any questions. If you were a previous customer then you're encouraged to download the recent 1.0.2 release as that release rolled up several bug fixes.

[smacklan]

I think these guys (MPDev and KW802) have done a pretty good job addressing questions and deflecting criticism in this thread while remaining civil. The bottom line is that it is a PP product now and any concerns/issues should be discussed on the company site...not a flame thread here. It's time for a mod to close this thread.

[e-brooker]

Actually this isn't a flame thread - a member of the public (me) raised some legitimate concerns and asked others for their opinion. At no point has anyone been flamed.

Photoposts integrity has been questioned yes, but from within the boundaries of the law and with the interest of the community as a whole in mind.

[MPDev]

I think that people can read your posts and see exactly what your agenda is.

In fact, your writing style is very similiar to our recent dealings with an unstable individual in our forums who was banned and given a refund just recently; given your recent registration and almost exclusive involvement in this single thread, it seems more likely than not that you have registered this account for the sole purpose of starting this thread in an effort to conceal your true identity.

[Ramsesx]

Every 2 weeks the same story :rolleyes:

Fact is:
The good things
1. vbGallery was bugfixed to a new version
2. support is given
3. same price of the product (dont know if it's the same price for renewing license)
4. 1 year free extensions to support after changing the copyright from vba to pp

The bad things
5. After some month now vbgallery on the pp page not officially availible for buying nor is this product anywhere on the pp page praised. And a lot people here know how long it needs to make a website or integrate anything into a yahoo shop system ;)
6. No availible competing product on the market comparable with the high level of pp and vbgallery.
7. The bad taste of the whole transaction.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

If you want to complain about another company, then please use the feedback options they offer, or use their forum. vB.org is not the place to discuss another company.