Abandon vBulletin 2?

[Xenon]

Hey,

i went through some thread statistics tonight, and found out, that we didn't have a new release for vb2 since more than 6 months, so i think vbulletin 2 is definitelly out of date for most user on vbulletin.org.

That's why i want to start a poll, about moving it into the archive, so we would have a clearer forumhome again (this will restrict people from posting in the vb2 sections, downloading the hacks would of course still be possible by browsing the archive)

So what do you mean?

[tehste]

i think you should think about removing the 3.0 category too :)
3.5 has AJAX!

[TruthElixirX]

Are there still people being given support in the 2.0 section? ;)

I'd say we should archive it somehow...

[Allan]

Remove just 2.0 section ;)

[Stangsta]

Maybe collapse it into 1 forum and lock them so they cant be posted in. That way they are still accessable for reference.

[DrewM]

Remove just 2.0 section
agree

[yayvb]

Agreed, I donno why anyone would really want to still use 3.0 now that 3.5.3 is available.

[Oblivion Knight]

I doubt many modifications in that forum are even getting any kind of support from their authors.. I certainly haven't been keeping track of my 3.0.x releases, never mind 2.x.x!

Although I think that the 3.0.x forums should be kept for the time being..

[Zidane007nl]

Yeah, just remove 2.0 section.
A lot of users still use 3.0.x.

[Xenon]

Maybe collapse it into 1 forum and lock them so they cant be posted in. That way they are still accessable for reference.

that's the sense of archiving them.

we still ahve the vb1 forums on vb.org just noone post in them anymore ;)

[Princeton]

yes, archive .... I would suggest going all the way and archive 3.0 -- soon we will have vbulletin 4.0 :D

[Daniel]

2 & 3 removed ;)

[Gio~Logist]

Agreed, I donno why anyone would really want to still use 3.0 now that 3.5.3 is available.

Because no one has been able to convert ushop successfully?

Giovanni Martinez

[Paul M]

Agreed, I donno why anyone would really want to still use 3.0 now that 3.5.3 is available.That's an very selfish and narrow view. Lots of forums still run 3.0, not everyone wants to run the latest and greatest when they are happy with what they have. I agree with moving the vb2 forums to a single location. I think 3.0 should be left alone for at least another 12/18 months.

If vb.com still support vb2 & 3 then so should vb.org.

[Princeton]

Is it worth it? (keeping 3.0 forums) I don't know.
Check the activity and compare posting rate and support for those hacks. My guess is ... it's been declining ever since 3.5 was released.

[BamaStangGuy]

Remove 2.0 and 3.0

[yayvb]

Ok I do take back what I said... I don't use 3.0 but I know for a fact others do because I see topics posted regarding 3.0. I'm not trying to be selfish, I just feel like there are so many security upgrades that I personally want the newest, but I'm not everyone. :)

[Tony G]

No. 2.0 and 3.0 are still widely used - its just that most mods for these versions have been made and thought of.

[derekivey]

Archive 2.0, but leave 3.0.

[SCRIPT3R]

Remove 2.0 and 3.0

[Andreas]

Archive vB 2. IMHO, vB 3 should be supported at least until vB 4 is out.

[Logikos]

Either Or for me, I can deal with vB3.0 since its still used. 2.0? Out the door... :)

[Hellcat]

I'd say archive the 2.x sections, but keep one spot open for discussions and support about 2.x issues and hacks.

I know a (very large and public) forum that ran 2.x till a month ago, or so....

Also keep the 3.0.x sections as they are for the moment since the 3.0.x is not outdated yet IMHO....

[rjordan]

If vb.com still support vb2 & 3 then so should vb.org.
100% agree. If Jelsoft is still willing to sell (and update with critical fixes) any version, it should not be tossed.

[Cal813]

vb 2 was my dream back then I say keep it I also agree above if jelsoft is making vb2 still and updating it we should keep it up here too :)

[Quillz]

I say archive vBulletin 2 but keep 3.0.x and above.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I still see questions in vB2 hack threads maybe once every 2 weeks (not counting the people who not looked in what version they where posting or are askign for a vB2 hack to be ported to vB4 ;)). So maybe archive and lock for new threads, but don't lock for replies.

[GamerzWorld]

Archive 2.0, but leave 3.0.

/signed

[Cle]

No, as long vB2 is still available for download and fully supported by vB.com, I think it should stay there.

[Zachariah]

Keep online:
- I go in and out of all ver of forums all the time filling requests now and then.
- There are many sites with all ver. of the forums.
- There are tons of ideas and old hacks that update with time.

EX:
Winamp.com
Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.3.9

[deathemperor]

archive 2.0, it's still not time to do that on 3.0, there are still zilliant boards use 3.0

[MrZeropage]

**voted**

[Chris M]

Until Jelsoft stops actively updating the 2.x series (which does include bug and security updates :p), it shouldn't be "thrown out the door"...

Condensing all the threads into one forum, and disabling new threads in that forum would be a good idea - Allow replies to be made to the threads, but other than that I can't see why we would want to totally archive vB2.... Yet...

Chris

[nitro]

Until Jelsoft stops actively updating the 2.x series (which does include bug and security updates :p), it shouldn't be "thrown out the door"...

Condensing all the threads into one forum, and disabling new threads in that forum would be a good idea - Allow replies to be made to the threads, but other than that I can't see why we would want to totally archive vB2.... Yet...

Chris

I think most forums that are on v2.x today are unlikley to be pro active vb hack users.

I also think you will get a good idea altho not entirely accurate as not evryone sees polls how many here still use v2.

I think Chris M has the best option which is the beginning of a phase out. Persoanlly I really like 3.5 but killing 3 aswell would be quite ludicrous as theres still hordes using it even here, is still 3.07 I believe unless I missed here getting upgraded. :)

[Marco van Herwaarden]

I think most forums that are on v2.x today are unlikley to be pro active vb hack users. doubt that is correct. I think most vB2 boards are still at vB2 because they use so many hacks.

[AN-net]

i would say leave 2.0 and 3.0.x as they are still supported by jelsoft and that there are forums still out there operating on such softwares. would jelsoft bother releasing patched 2.x software if no one was using it?

[Tony G]

Exactly what my point was before. Just because the hack forums aren't busy with posts doesn't mean people aren't using the hacks or the software version. :)

[Andreas]

Until Jelsoft stops actively updating the 2.x series (which does include bug and security updates :p), it shouldn't be "thrown out the door"...

Condensing all the threads into one forum, and disabling new threads in that forum would be a good idea - Allow replies to be made to the threads, but other than that I can't see why we would want to totally archive vB2.... Yet...

Chris
That sounds like a good solution.
*thumbs up*

[GamerJunk.net]

I think they should be compiled into one forum and basically have the category description be "If you still use the 2.0 version of Vbulletin, post anything related to that software version here"

[Kinneas]

Archiving 2.0 at this point would make sense I think, but support for 3.0 should be kept, for sure. I know of quite a few companies that still use 3.0.

[Monster Gamer]

2 and 3 need to be removed.

[Gaskell]

Until Jelsoft stops actively updating the 2.x series (which does include bug and security updates :p), it shouldn't be "thrown out the door"...

Condensing all the threads into one forum, and disabling new threads in that forum would be a good idea - Allow replies to be made to the threads, but other than that I can't see why we would want to totally archive vB2.... Yet...

Chris

Thats got my vote :)

[David_R]

dont find 2 of any use,

[Hialls]

Hmm not too sure why people would use 2.0 so yes would say remove it

[Sean James]

That's an very selfish and narrow view. Lots of forums still run 3.0, not everyone wants to run the latest and greatest when they are happy with what they have. I agree with moving the vb2 forums to a single location. I think 3.0 should be left alone for at least another 12/18 months.

If vb.com still support vb2 & 3 then so should vb.org.

agreed

[T3MEDIA]

The way this site works is the best hacker gets the reward. That is why they keep saying click the install button. So of course programmers are going ot get the latest version to keep up. You guy forget vb.com insists users come here for help then they have to lick balls to get it (IF it wasnt being done already) So to sit and say remove 3 just shows the maturaty level. How long has 3.5 been out? Am I mistaken but isnt 3.5 still under the number 3? how long has 2 preceded 3?

Do you guys even think things out sometimes?
Oh here we go someone is now insulted and has to make a come back. Case and point its not to insult its to show you guys look its more about how many people own 2 or 3 or 3.5 if there is more 3's than 3.5 how can you say drop it... same thing for 2.

2 makes sense... its been a minute... no support there at all... even though you can still download it from vb.com...

go figure.

[nasser71]

Yeah, just remove 2.0 section.
A lot of users still use 3.0.x.


indeed i agree

[Blam Forumz]

Definitely

[Xenon]

Hmm, i never thouht that there will be 21% saying we should remove 3.0 as well.
thats really a surprise for me, but the rest is more or less expected :)

[lewisbee]

I'd say DON'T remove vb3.0 because its still in use by many people, as is vb2.0, but i think thats past its prime, but vb3.0 isn't...

[Rich]

Hello,

The people stating that 2.0 and 3.0 should be removed are those users that have upgraded to 3.5.x. Since THEY don't need those forums, they figure "why keep them".

I agree that the 2.0 forums should be condensed. The 3.0 forums should be left alone. I run 3.5.x but many people don't upgrade their sites like some of us do. Removing 3.0 at this point would be extremely premature. The amount of users running 3.0 boards is extremely high.

[Snake]

Yes, and remove vb3.0 as well. ;)

[msimplay]

Hello,

The people stating that 2.0 and 3.0 should be removed are those users that have upgraded to 3.5.x. Sionce THEY don't need those forums, they figure "why keep them".

I agree that the 2.0 forums should be condensed. The 3.0 forums should be left alone. I run 3.5.x but many people don't upgrade their sites like some of us do. Removing 3.0 at this point would be extremely premature. The amount of users running 3.0 boards is extremely high.

I agree as long as people still need vbulletin 2.x.x and 3.0 forums they should stay since they are still both supported in terms of updates

[darnoldy]

Hey,

i went through some thread statistics tonight, and found out, that we didn't have a new release for vb2 since more than 6 months, so i think vbulletin 2 is definitelly out of date for most user on vbulletin.org.

That's why i want to start a poll, about moving it into the archive, so we would have a clearer forumhome again (this will restrict people from posting in the vb2 sections, downloading the hacks would of course still be possible by browsing the archive)

So what do you mean?

Folks-

I would suggest--like others have--that that area be condensed to 2 areas: V2 Modifications, which should allow replies but not new threads; and V2 Questions.

Having a space for Modification Requests seems futile at this point--I would be tempted to dump them, but archiving would be fine.

I would also look at the threads in the "Beta release" section--it seems doubtful that anything still in beta would ever be further developed at this point. If a modification there is functioning, it should be included with the other releases. If its too buggy to use, it should be trashed.

[Guest210212002]

Removing 3.0 is a rediculous sentiment. I own 5 licenses, 3 of which are running 3.0 due to unavailability of key hacks for 3.5.

[MRGTB]

Removing 3.0 is a rediculous sentiment. I own 5 licenses, 3 of which are running 3.0 due to unavailability of key hacks for 3.5.


Agree'd, I use 3.0 here also, and have no plans to upgrade to 3.5 at all. So I'd hate to see support go for vB3.0. But I guess when you have vB 3.6 in the future soon. :rolleyes: It's gonna start to get a little crowded around here with vB2.0, 3.0, 3.5 and 3.6 support boards.

I think vB2 is a little old and long in the tooth, but as already stated. But as long as vBulletin have it posted for download and are releasing support patches etc. It should be leftfor the time being.

[forumsoup.com]

I agree. Remove everything but 3.5.3 (or above).

[PixelFx]

I agree. Remove everything but 3.5.3 (or above).

I'd just like to see vb3.5.3 hacks organized like 3.0.12 hacks are on the site, similar forums aka major minor addons.

I would vote keep vb3.5.3+ & 3.0.12+ sections.

[Mark.B]

Remove 3.0? What are people like me supposed to do?

I can't upgrade to vB 3.5 because too many hacks are not going to be converted, and since 3.5 offers virtually NO benefits over 3.0 to the END USER, I'd be asking my members to accept less features - no way! I'd rather wait for 4.0 at least I can justify loss of some hacks in return for new features.

[amykhar]

I contend that the 3.0 forums should be closed for posting but left open for reference.

Personally, I don't mind leaving my older stuff there for reference, but would rather not have new people install the legacy stuff which I can't support as I no longer have that version of code running.

While I can understand people maintaining legacy versions, I am befuddled as to why they would continue to modify them.

[MRGTB]

I contend that the 3.0 forums should be closed for posting but left open for reference.

Personally, I don't mind leaving my older stuff there for reference, but would rather not have new people install the legacy stuff which I can't support as I no longer have that version of code running.

While I can understand people maintaining legacy versions, I am befuddled as to why they would continue to modify them.

Maybe a good idea would be to attach a poll to this thread asking what versions people are using as there main board etc, vB2.0, vB3.0, vB 3.5 to get a better overall idea before making a rash decision.

Although, I do see that vB2 hacks seemed totally abandoned now, and the vB3.0 hacks seem to be heading in the same direction lately.

EDIT:
Ops, forgot there is already another poll going :nervous:

[Mark.B]

I contend that the 3.0 forums should be closed for posting but left open for reference.

Personally, I don't mind leaving my older stuff there for reference, but would rather not have new people install the legacy stuff which I can't support as I no longer have that version of code running.

While I can understand people maintaining legacy versions, I am befuddled as to why they would continue to modify them.
We continue to modify them because we don't want to say to our members "I am abandoning this community now because a new version of the software is out which we can't install".

My only caveat is that I'll only install 'new' hacks on my 3.0 board that I know have been ported to 3.5.

As regards support, by the time I come to install a hack I don't need any. If it's working ok (as will be evident from the replies to the thread) then if I have got any problems I can almost certainly sort them myself, or with advice from other members if I'm REALLY stuck, so support from the author doesn't really matter.

If you look at most hacks now, virtually every question has been asked, and in most cases answered by someone. If a problem is evident that hasn't been answered, I don't install the hack.

[amykhar]

So, archiving them wouldn't be a problem for you, Mark :) If you just want to read the threads and not get support, they're still there.

[Paul M]

Some people will still want support - some of the install counts on my 3.0 hacks are still going up occasionally as well. :)

[MRGTB]

Some people will still want support - some of the install counts on my 3.0 hacks are still going up occasionally as well. :)

Well interestly enough, I've just posted saying that the vB3.0 email notification on "admin panel access" is not working with vB 3.0.12. Which I could not have done if it had of been archived.

I think it's a little too early yet to talk about archiving the vB 3.0 section until the next version of vB comes out to replace vB 3.5. But I agree maybe it's time for vB 2.0 though to be archived now it's two versions behind.

[Mark.B]

So, archiving them wouldn't be a problem for you, Mark :) If you just want to read the threads and not get support, they're still there.
Well, ideally I'd like them left open. Although the author may not support the hack any more, others can still offer advice and regularly do. So whilst I'm unlikely to worry personally as long as the threads are still visible, I daresay there's a great many who would still like to ask questions of the 'general audience'.

I think it should be made quite clear though that most 3.0 hacks are now unsupported by the author.

[who is chris c]

i say anything newer than 2.0 archive. i have 1 site that is running 3.0.x because i'm not goin to spend $30 on renewing my license for it. and another that is still 3.0 because i'm waiting on some hacks for it before i convert to 3.5. there may still be some 3.0 mods released as more forums move to 3.5 which would be of benifit to me and other 3.0 users

[nitro]

Beleive it or not Iv just installed a v2 hack on my 3.5 test install, seems to be working ok aswell with kick here and a slap there. ;)

[wtrk]

archive it.

[Smiry Kin's]

is there any problems with having it there?. if not leave it..

some people like old school...

[Andrew]

is there any problems with having it there?. if not leave it..

some people like old school...
Old school eh? I was going to say ancient, but old school works :p

Anyways, I say go ahead and archive at least the vB2 forums, and then possibly the vB3 forums in a couple months once more end users have had time to convert to vB3.5.

[dethfire]

keep 3.0.x because I still use it on a forum that I have a massive hack that I can't upgrade to 3.5

[Bro_Joey_Gowdy]

I vote no.

Many people still use it and often still require help... perhaps restrict it to one support forum.

[MRGTB]

I vote no.

Many people still use it and often still require help... perhaps restrict it to one support forum.

I think lots of people are still using vB 3.0 version for a lot of different reasons. Personally I prefer it over vB 3.5 which is why I don't upgrade and even installed vB 3.0 from fresh, even though I could have used the latest version of vB 3.5 instead.

The problem is, if you archived the vB 3.0 section now. People requiring help with these hacks for vB 3.0 may decide to start cloning the vB archive section over to there own sites as open topics up for discussion to try and get help on them, without asking the authors permission to do so - seeing as help for them here would no longer be available from other members or the author himself.

Meaning the only option open to vB 3.0 users would be to open them back up on there own sites. If it was done as way to try and force people to ugrade. I don't think that would work. As some people have already stated they have busy forums that have way to much hacking done to upgrade, and there not going to scrap there busy boards just to install vB 3.5 - loosing thre hard earned members list!

Also keep in mind that many dedicated vB 3.0 series users here might also see this site as pretty useless to them then.

[Xenon]

Ok, a statement: we don't plan to remove the 3.0 forums already.
I just wanted to know, if there are users who think it would be best to remove them as well.

but the actual question is more if we should remove the vb2 forums (that's why just that is in title), and i think the majority is for removing.
but keep voting :)

[Paul M]

but the actual question is more if we should remove the vb2 forums Erm, the question was should they be archived, which I assume means they will still be available for viewing. If you're talking about completely removing them then I change my vote.

[Xenon]

removing means archiving

like the vb1 forums, which are also removed from forumhome but still browsable in the archives, as well as some of the old template forums ^^

[AFMichael]

I say archive it. If people can still download the hacks, great! If they need support, read the hack thread!

[nitro]

removing means archiving

like the vb1 forums, which are also removed from forumhome but still browsable in the archives, as well as some of the old template forums ^^

The vb1 forums dont seem to be jumping out at me when I look in the archive, you sure they are veiwable ?

[Brad]

The vB1 hack forums are only viewable by the staff. When Stefan says 'archive' he's talking about our private archives. :)

[nitro]

The vB1 hack forums are only viewable by the staff. When Stefan says 'archive' he's talking about our private archives. :)

Then I would consider that more than just being removed from forum home ;)

Glad I voted a wholehearted "no" a little while ago then. Theres still hacks in vb2 that are useful I have just updated one used another that also has v3 info in the thread, and can see another that is sat not doing anything, waiting to be lifted.

[rjordan]

Again, I would not remove v2 related categories until JelSoft stops allowing v2 to be downloaded. Once that happens, I do not think anyone can really argue that it should be set read-only for a while and then archived.

[who is chris c]

i didnt realize when he said no it was private staff archives and not public i say keep them public even tho i voted for archiving them

[Corriewf]

The vB1 hack forums are only viewable by the staff. When Stefan says 'archive' he's talking about our private archives. :)

This poll is not valid as that wasnt mentioned beforehand. With this in mind, I would change my vote from no to HELL NO! ;)

[Xenon]

@Brad: really?
i thought they are browsable by everyone?

*confused*

[TruthElixirX]

No.. I was wondering what vB 1 archives you were reffering to. :p

[Snake]

Just get rid of the vB2 section but keep the vB3.0 section 'cause there might be people who are still running v3.0. :)

[tnguy3n]

I'm still running vB 3.0, but I stopped releasing hacks/mods for this version since majority of ppl switched to vb 3.5. :rolleyes:

[Brad]

@Brad: really?
i thought they are browsable by everyone?

*confused*

Hmm they might be, I just assumed they where staff only because they are hidden.

[Paul M]

So how do people view them ?

[Xenon]

there was a link to them i am sure ^^

[Logikos]

@The Staff. Theres no link point to the archive. You have the Forum is Active status set to no. It won't appear if set to no, but remains accessible if the forum's URL is known, and if you search all open forums.

Every now and then I get some search results from this catogory. :)
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/forumdisplay.php?f=31

Though this link is not viewable anywhere on vBulletin.org. Maybe you should make it viewable like vB.com has there archive forums set. At the very bottom in its own forum. :)

[+buG]

yes, archive .... I would suggest going all the way and archive 3.0 -- soon we will have vbulletin 4.0 :D

wha?!

[bgray]

At the very least I think the hacks should remain as an archive reference.

[simon.]

Why do people still use VB 2.x anyway?

[MRGTB]

Why do people still use VB 2.x anyway?

I guess some people still like it, I don't use it but still like it. Because everything is template driven makes it very easy to customize. Plus some people like the less features as an easy to use no frills board that still kicks the ass out of phpBB and most other boards out there.

Also it very fast at loading pages. It may lack what vB 3 has to offer, but lets not forget its still a kick ass board compared to a lot out there and very fast to boot.

[simon.]

Ah i see thank you Gary Bolton :)

[MRGTB]

Ah i see thank you Gary Bolton :)

do I know you?

[kira]

Sorry, kinda late for this thread but I only just saw it. Perhaps not surprising, since I'm also late in upgrading to vb 3!

Yep, I still use vb 2. Only for a few more days, admittedly, but still. Vb2 has been chugging along and was perfectly satisfactory for my smallish/mediumish-sized community. I have been very reluctant to change since it's been hacked pretty heavily with some things that are STILL not available for vb3 (interactive stories, most of all). Also, I've been too busy to update everything.

All this said, I'm finally making the leap to the latest version, because I know it's more powerful and the plugin system is sexier than anything I've ever seen (with certain exceptions!).

Really, it's no skin off anyone's nose to keep v2 topics here. If for no other reason, because Jelsoft supports v2. But there are other reasons: some hacks were never ported, and could give coders some ideas; most importantly, there ARE some of us lingering v2 users who need hacking and other customization advice.

Why on earth are many v3 users so callously anxious to deny even the few remaining vb2 users a useful resource? The forums collapse for the very purpose of letting folks ignore stuff they don't need/want to see. It's not taking anything away from the community -- to the contrary, it's a helpful reminder of just how amazing a system vBulletin is, that even older versions can remain powerful, flexible and functional community solutions.

[Roms]

Sorry, kinda late for this thread but I only just saw it. Perhaps not surprising, since I'm also late in upgrading to vb 3!

Yep, I still use vb 2. Only for a few more days, admittedly, but still. Vb2 has been chugging along and was perfectly satisfactory for my smallish/mediumish-sized community. I have been very reluctant to change since it's been hacked pretty heavily with some things that are STILL not available for vb3 (interactive stories, most of all). Also, I've been too busy to update everything.

All this said, I'm finally making the leap to the latest version, because I know it's more powerful and the plugin system is sexier than anything I've ever seen (with certain exceptions!).

Really, it's no skin off anyone's nose to keep v2 topics here. If for no other reason, because Jelsoft supports v2. But there are other reasons: some hacks were never ported, and could give coders some ideas; most importantly, there ARE some of us lingering v2 users who need hacking and other customization advice.

Why on earth are many v3 users so callously anxious to deny even the few remaining vb2 users a useful resource? The forums collapse for the very purpose of letting folks ignore stuff they don't need/want to see. It's not taking anything away from the community -- to the contrary, it's a helpful reminder of just how amazing a system vBulletin is, that even older versions can remain powerful, flexible and functional community solutions.

Your designs are state of the art. I can see why you wouldn't change but believe me 3.5 will add Java, Ajax and much, much more... you think it's good now....... 2.0 is so, so far beind....... Archive and upgrade....

[007]

It used to be a royal pain to ugpgrade with vB2, and even vB3, but now with vB3.5, and careful strategic use of plugins, I can easily upgrade in a matter of minutes no problem.

I was looking back on my old vB2 (locked test site) and have really started to think how much I take vB3.5 for granted. It is so much better than vB2 and I would recommend it to everybody no matter the excuse they have. :)

[Xenon]

@007: vb2 was a quantum leap regarding vb1 ;)

just upgrading was easy during the vb1 times, because there hardly were any new versions ^^

[beebi]

i think you should think about removing the 3.0 category too :)
3.5 has AJAX!
yes yes

[Blue-Inc]

I don't really know about this, maybe if you archived the 2.0 forums. But I don't think the 3.0 forums should be archived until a later date.

[firstrebel]

Why do people still use VB 2.x anyway?
Why do some people still use old versions of web browsers such as IE 3 and 4 and Netscape 3 and 4. I only have to look at my server access logs to see this.

Bob

[FlyingDutchman]

as long as the archive stays open, no problem
vbulletin 2 is just too good to totally abandon

personally i think vb2 is awesome and i like it more than vb3 & vb3.5 altogether :)

just keep the archive open and i'm ok with it :) - btw, i voted No :D

if there's one thing i hate, it must be people shouting out loud AJAX is so good... in fact, it can be usefull but in most applications it's just... bloated addition you don't need at all

[Danecookie]

i wonder who uses that version now? O_o

[rabidkevin]

No, as long vB2 is still available for download and fully supported by vB.com, I think it should stay there.

Agreed
Even though I never use it, and never will

[Quillz]

i wonder who uses that version now? O_o
iLounge.com uses 2.3.9, the latest stable version of vB 2.x, last time I checked.

[rabidkevin]

this link speaks for itself...

http://www.google.com/search?hs=wPe&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Powered+by%3A+vBulletin+Version+2.3.9%22&btnG=Search

Winamp forums!

[gothicuser]

this link speaks for itself...

http://www.google.com/search?hs=wPe&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Powered+by%3A+vBulletin+Version+2.3.9%22&btnG=Search

Winamp forums!
Bit of an eye-opener.. :surprised::surprised:

[FlyingDutchman]

iLounge.com uses 2.3.9, the latest stable version of vB 2.x, last time I checked.

lol there's a message saying the forums are closed because they are upgrading :)

haha, anyway vb2 is faster, has enough features (with a couple of simple/small hacks added probably) and I can see no reason why vb3 would be better than vb2. vb3.5 is probably another story because that is a real leap forward, but more features means less speed, generally. and i &*^#$(@# on AJAX!

[SaN-DeeP]

Voted yes for removing vbulletin 2 cause its way to old.
but if there are many boards still using Vb version 2.x it wont be avisable to remove them.

[DaPro]

Wow that v2 used to look like...I remember the styling and all the fun times! But lets move on, onto the future 3.x and 3.5.x. Actually forget 3.x, 3.5.x owns all.

[vBFreak]

I'm also using 3.5, but I would recommend to throw all the vb2 stuff to a vb2 hacking forum, so people using vb2 can still get support for their hacks (if the coder is still there) or share their changes/improvements and if someone still wants to do that he/she can also even release hacks yet. At least old threads should be kept open for users to discuss and help themself, so everyone should be able to reply to these hack threads.

I think since there are boards out with vb2 and vb2 is still supported, updated and fixed by Jelsoft it's time is not yet over, so it should be possible to release hacks or get support for them at least until vb2 is officially outdated by Jelsoft.

I still like vb2, even if I'm not using it anymore but I think even if we're using 3.X and newer we should give vb2 users a chance, so I've voted for no.

[Toky0]

I personally think so long as Jelsoft supports vB2 then vb.org should too. Don't get rid of the vB2 forums.

:banana:

[Deimos]

I agree VB2 should be ditched, maybe VB should think about making it a free product, on the condition that no support would be offered, except by maybe, volunteers.

[Darkfire122333]

I agree VB2 should be ditched, maybe VB should think about making it a free product, on the condition that no support would be offered, except by maybe, volunteers.

I agree with this, it would make it alot betterbecuase then you would have 2.x revived, and maybe have a seperate forum for v2 s as a free board? would make it so that they would want to use the payed versions more and would be a great publicity hype :D

[InsaneContender]

I agree with this, it would make it alot betterbecuase then you would have 2.x revived, and maybe have a seperate forum for v2 s as a free board? would make it so that they would want to use the payed versions more and would be a great publicity hype :D

I doubt this would ever happen though, as vBulletin is pretty popular right now anyway. I mean, just look at the user-base! lol

I can see a lot of the vB2 stuff is suddenly gone, or is that just my imagination?

[Darkfire122333]

Well I do not think vBulletin should just drop something they spent alot of time creating, It is just a waste of time and thus making that time useless and could have been handled better. At least this way the board gets revived and can live a longer life as a remodeled board!

[Seiken]

I voted yes because nobody even supports there mods reason enough to archive it...

archiv {Check It}

[Sean S]

I would agree with vb2, but why vb3? tell you the truth I haven't really seen a reason yet to upgrade to 3.5. vb3 works just fine, I could care less about the Ajax system in the 3.5.

However, I agree that it should be archived once vb4 is out :).

[Darkfire122333]

I still say that vB 3.0 should stay as-is. vB 2.0 should become free and have all hacks, etc, put to a different forum for the free board (Allows Non-AJAX board, and helps bring publicity, and pre-features to what they can get for 3.0 and 3.5) and make it so that they can still monitor the users, via, keys, or something, so that they need the key to download the hacks, etc. I am just making a suggestion. I do not want to see vB's hard work down the drain. If they do decide to Archive 2.0 will we be able to disect the board and do with it what we please? (that is my question) Because I would be willing to dissect the board, Edit it a little bit, and set it for a freeware on my own forum (will use the actual 2.0 too) and have the modifications etc on there? I would just need help getting an install hack like vb has now on 3.5 to allow them to install/uninstall hacks on the fly. How does that sound to you guys?

[COBRAws]

I still say that vB 3.0 should stay as-is. vB 2.0 should become free and have all hacks, etc, put to a different forum for the free board (Allows Non-AJAX board, and helps bring publicity, and pre-features to what they can get for 3.0 and 3.5) and make it so that they can still monitor the users, via, keys, or something, so that they need the key to download the hacks, etc. I am just making a suggestion. I do not want to see vB's hard work down the drain. If they do decide to Archive 2.0 will we be able to disect the board and do with it what we please? (that is my question) Because I would be willing to dissect the board, Edit it a little bit, and set it for a freeware on my own forum (will use the actual 2.0 too) and have the modifications etc on there? I would just need help getting an install hack like vb has now on 3.5 to allow them to install/uninstall hacks on the fly. How does that sound to you guys?
I dont think making it free is a good idea. Because you will make popular a Software name but with less utilities as the Actual SW. I mean, a lot of new people will realise about a new forums software and test it, but then go away for phpBB or something with more utilities because vB 2.x lacks of them.

If you make something free, at least make a demo version, like vb3.5.x as a demo, with a lot of restricted aplications. For example in the Thread tools some legend that says "Upgrade and you could do this and this and this".

I dont know if i was very clear. Sorry for my english.

[kall]

This thread is definitely NOT about making the actual software free, or doing anything at all to it.

It is about whether the hacks for said software are archived, on this site.

[Xorlev]

I would venture to say vB2 is currently better than anything phpBB or most free forums have to offer. If this was a vote to make vB2 free, I'd support it. Just think...you give a mouse a cookie.

[Asi9ine]

Why not boost awareness of vBulletin by making a very watered-down version of vBulletin 2 available for free? phpBB and IPB did it, and there are probably more InvisionFree and Forumer forums out there than vBulletin ones. It was rubbished in this thread, but it's achieving nothing by rusting in the corner. When was the last time vB actually updated 2.x?

vBForFree.com or something? It would make members see that they are getting this great product for free, yet they know that for 80 dollars out of their pocket, they can get the whole version.

Please consider it. I wouldn't ever use it, but the majority of forumers (wannabe Admins, lets say) aren't even old enough to have a PayPal account.

[Darkfire122333]

Exactly my point! vBulletin would me ranked number one overall becuase it would have the number one suport for free and payed boards!

http://twwarez.be/index.php? <-- not what you think.. it's what i have set up in a short period of time to make them notice what it could look like for a free board.. notice how,i changed everything to "free". I got bored so i decided to do a little more editing and make it 1.0.. thats just me so dunt mind that :P

(yes it is a pirated board, and i made it here so they know it was soley for this purpose only, please do not ban me or anything, I just wanted to show you what i meant... just tell me when to take ti down and i will immediately!)

[Asi9ine]

Exactly my point! vBulletin would me ranked number one overall becuase it would have the number one suport for free and payed boards!

http://twwarez.be/index.php? <-- not what you think.. it's what i have set up in a short period of time to make them notice what it could look like for a free board.. notice how,i changed everything to "free". I got bored so i decided to do a little more editing and make it 1.0.. thats just me so dunt mind that :P

(yes it is a pirated board, and i made it here so they know it was soley for this purpose only, please do not ban me or anything, I just wanted to show you what i meant... just tell me when to take ti down and i will immediately!)
Ah, that is the problem we have.

Support. A whole new community would be asking (no, demanding) for support, and the Staff here who already help the paid members, will have their workload doubled.

And the other thing: that kind of proposal would be best suited to vBulletin.com. This is an unofficial site, so there's a chance nothing will be read by them.

[rjordan]

... tell you the truth I haven't really seen a reason yet to upgrade to 3.5. vb3 works just fine, I could care less about the Ajax system in the 3.5. ...
Many would say the same about vB2. Again, my opinion, until Jelsoft stops offering it as a downloadable package, it should be left alone.

[Kirk Y]

vB2 archive -- but not vB3. I'm sure there are still loads of people that use it.

[Floris]

Yes, and 3.0 as well, however, I can imagine that coded forums on 3.x don't upgrade that quickly. On the other hand, not offering 3.0 mods pushes them into the next generation.

[FleaBag]

Ditch vB2. I don't care if people are still using it - I don't pay for my license so mods who should be developing my product have to waste time supporting a dinosaur. Yes I understand that some sites will lose features if they upgrade, but you know what... Tough luck! They've had years to upgrade - nomatter which hack they have I'm sure they could pay for a 3.5 conversion - they should take on that cost if they really need the solution. Time for the 2 series to go.

[kira]

Bolding mine.

Ditch vB2. I don't care if people are still using it - I don't pay for my license so mods who should be developing my product have to waste time supporting a dinosaur.

Uh, we're talking about archiving vB2 on vb.org, remember? Tell me, which vB.org moderators developed your product? And which of them are "wasting time" on us poor beknighted fools still using one of the best community software solutions ever created? Personally, I haven't been helped by any of the vB.org moderators here in a vB2 thread for years, and I haven't exactly seen them bustling around in that area. So exactly how they're "wasting time" is a mystery.

No, VB2 isn't a dinosaur. It's an extremely powerful product that people paid good money for ... the same cost as VB3, in fact. I pay my $30 annual fee for support along with the rest of you. Why on earth should supporting those who purchased a product that still remains perfectly functional be considered "wasting time"?

Jesus. I just don't understand people who get hostile over stuff that's no skin off their ass. Don't like seeing vB2 forums? Hide 'em.

[King Kovifor]

I visit so many vb 3.0 and 2.x boards so for those, they should stay.

[Chousho]

I use VB 3.X, and have no use using 2.X on my site. However, that is me. There are plenty of people who are using VB 2, so why should I take away their rights for the same things I enjoy?

I say keep it until we know noone will use it.

[Ziki]

So will it be removed?

[Guest190829]

You can exclude catagories via:

Quick Links -> Edit Options -> Exclude Catagories -> Check the catagories you do not wish to appear.

Also with the new layout it really isn't needed...

Closing this thread as it is old.