vbseo denied me as a buyer?

[yayvb]

Ok I see the last vbseo thread was closed I guess because people were not
being nice to eachother. I just wanted to let everyone know about my
unhappiness with them. I purchased the script yesterday, and about 40
hours later I get a private message from vbseo staff saying that they won't
sell me the script because my content is not allowed.

I run a vbulletin community website for people that like Marijuana. :) I'm
sorry if you don't agree with what I and many others believe, but I think it is
messed up to deny someone a script that is being sold to others just
because you may not want my site to be optimized? I don't know the exact
reasoning, maybe because they don't want their link on the bottom of the
page on a marijuana site?

I really wanted to try and see if I could notice a difference, I spent the $150
and now I guess they're going to refund it hopefully since they won't give me
the script.

Is there anything that I could easily do that vbulletin doesn't already do to
make my website more prominent in the engines?

[Zachery]

Ok I see the last vbseo thread was closed I guess because people were not
being nice to eachother. I just wanted to let everyone know about my
unhappiness with them. I purchased the script yesterday, and about 40
hours later I get a private message from vbseo staff saying that they won't
sell me the script because my content is not allowed.

I run a vbulletin community website for people that like Marijuana. :) I'm
sorry if you don't agree with what I and many others believe, but I think it is
messed up to deny someone a script that is being sold to others just
because you may not want my site to be optimized? I don't know the exact
reasoning, maybe because they don't want their link on the bottom of the
page on a marijuana site?

I really wanted to try and see if I could notice a difference, I spent the $150
and now I guess they're going to refund it hopefully since they won't give me
the script.

Is there anything that I could easily do that vbulletin doesn't already do to
make my website more prominent in the engines?

You could try Deans SEO.

But realisticly this is one of the problems that buying from a third party entitles, youmight have wanted to read their rules about what they allow. They believe in not allowing adult topics. Their loss, I do hope someone comes out with somthing the same, cheaper, and open source.

[RichieBoy67]

Yep, I agree. That is ridiculous and it is also a form of discrimination if you ask me.... I wonder if they'd feel the same if the forum was about beer or something??? I'd be pissed too...

[AWI]

Seems to me the content of his site is not adult oriented and not illegal. I would understand if his site involved pornography but I guess the people at vBSeo want to push their opinions/beliefs on their potential customers and censor the use which is bad business. It's a shame because it works great...like Zach said I hope someone comes out with the same or better version and of course open source would be nice.

[yayvb]

What it comes down to (unfortunately) is that I should've looked a bit closer
at the EULA. That alone was my fault, and that's enough. I received
another PM saying I'll get my refund within 12 hours I think it said. :( I was
so excited about it, but it's really my problem in this case for not realizing my
site was going to be prohibited.

[porschinho]

What it comes down to (unfortunately) is that I should've looked a bit closer
at the EULA.

yes and that multiple times!!!

i found that on your website:
These sponsors support our website for every click we bring to them, so please support our sponsors by clicking their banners.


google does not allow webmasters to ask visitors to click ads. i would not wonder if google will kick your account. and they will not care about your money... if there are 5 or 5000 dollar in your account, it will be lost if they delete the account.

i would think about that... only for your best.

[Dean C]

Mine is close to becoming stable now, I have a few beta testers helping me at my site and all the main bugs have now been ironed out (AFAIK ;))

[Ramsesx]

Uh, I have vbseo sitemap hack on my adult board, now I know why google never is visiting my sitemap. :rolleyes:
@Dean
This would be great, thanks.

[Rick Sample]

Mine is close to becoming stable now, I have a few beta testers helping me at my site and all the main bugs have now been ironed out (AFAIK ;))

Dean, whats becoming stable? Are you releasing something like VBSEO or are you reffering to your other SEO hack?

As for VBSEO, I think that it is a joke to what they are charging for that software. The hack itself is just as much as the Vbulletin software. So would I purchase it at $150? No! Would I try it out if it were only $20-$30, most definetly. If I didn't like it or if it caused to many problems, I would just uninstall it.

[MRGTB]

Ok I see the last vbseo thread was closed I guess because people were not
being nice to eachother. I just wanted to let everyone know about my
unhappiness with them. I purchased the script yesterday, and about 40
hours later I get a private message from vbseo staff saying that they won't
sell me the script because my content is not allowed.

I run a vbulletin community website for people that like Marijuana. :) I'm
sorry if you don't agree with what I and many others believe, but I think it is
messed up to deny someone a script that is being sold to others just
because you may not want my site to be optimized? I don't know the exact
reasoning, maybe because they don't want their link on the bottom of the
page on a marijuana site?

I really wanted to try and see if I could notice a difference, I spent the $150
and now I guess they're going to refund it hopefully since they won't give me
the script.

Is there anything that I could easily do that vbulletin doesn't already do to
make my website more prominent in the engines?

It's a bit of a funny one that really, because in some countries it's accepted and legal to smoke it.

[Rick Sample]

It's a bit of a funny one that really, because in some countries it's accepted and legal to smoke it.

Not to mention that some need it for medical reasons. So it is 'legal' for some.

[TyleR]

Not to mention that some need it for medical reasons. So it is 'legal' for some.

it's not legal in the US for any reason.

Just a shame though, that you weren't able to get it..its an awesome product.

[AWI]

it's not legal in the US for any reason.

Just a shame though, that you weren't able to get it..its an awesome product.


Not true Denver, Colorado it is legal for those 21 and older up to 1 ounce in city limits. Just another reason to call the city the Mile High city :nervous:

[BamaStangGuy]

Ok I see the last vbseo thread was closed I guess because people were not
being nice to eachother. I just wanted to let everyone know about my
unhappiness with them. I purchased the script yesterday, and about 40
hours later I get a private message from vbseo staff saying that they won't
sell me the script because my content is not allowed.

I run a vbulletin community website for people that like Marijuana. :) I'm
sorry if you don't agree with what I and many others believe, but I think it is
messed up to deny someone a script that is being sold to others just
because you may not want my site to be optimized? I don't know the exact
reasoning, maybe because they don't want their link on the bottom of the
page on a marijuana site?

I really wanted to try and see if I could notice a difference, I spent the $150
and now I guess they're going to refund it hopefully since they won't give me
the script.

Is there anything that I could easily do that vbulletin doesn't already do to
make my website more prominent in the engines?

It is not about not wanting your site to be "optimized" it is about not wanting their product associated with something they do not agree with or support.

You may not like it however it is their right as a business to choose to do this.

Seems to me the content of his site is not adult oriented and not illegal. I would understand if his site involved pornography but I guess the people at vBSeo want to push their opinions/beliefs on their potential customers and censor the use which is bad business. It's a shame because it works great...like Zach said I hope someone comes out with the same or better version and of course open source would be nice.

You know... you cry because they wish to "push" their beliefs on others yet you are putting them down for their right to have this belief and too stand up for something they believe in. That is what this country is about right? Someone can make a product, that represents them as a company, and they should have a right to control who uses their product and how the person uses. Whether or not it will reflect badly on their company in their eyes.

I do not understand how this is discrimination. He is not denying them this product because of sex or skin color. He is denying them this product because their site has content on it that he does not wish to have his name associated with.

When it first came out there was a guy denied because he ran an aduly themed site. I too thought at the time it was a horrible business practice and he shouldn't do this. Now however I understand why they chose to do this and since buying it I could not be happier with the friendly support, the prompt response to questions, and amazing features that come with the software. The ease of use is amazing.

Your opinion that it is "bad business" is hardly provable... they seem to be doing pretty well to me. They have my business and support. I could not be happier.

It's a bit of a funny one that really, because in some countries it's accepted and legal to smoke it.

This is not about whether or not it is illegal. This is about whether or not VBSEO wants to have their product associated with something that is of nature as this.

As for VBSEO, I think that it is a joke to what they are charging for that software. The hack itself is just as much as the Vbulletin software. So would I purchase it at $150? No! Would I try it out if it were only $20-$30, most definetly. If I didn't like it or if it caused to many problems, I would just uninstall it.

What is a joke to one is Gold to another. It has many features in it you won't find in any other vbulletin SEO hack. It is EASILY customizable and EASILY installed. Not to mention that their Sitemap hack plugs right into this and uses the rewritten urls flawlessly. It allows easy rewrites of all non vb scripts as well as redirecting the archive thread links to the actual thread content, reducing duplicate content and directing traffic directly to the real thread instead of some vanilla plan thread. It has smart filtering for showpost threads and does not allow spidering of printthread urls.

It is slowly expanding into more than just a basic URL rewriting script.

[jugo]

If you ask me, they are violating your Fist ammendment rights somehow. Because for them to deny selling you a product merely on the content of your forums is, in my opinion, biased and i'm sure illegal.

But hey, Marijuana is not good for you so i'm torn....

[BamaStangGuy]

If you ask me, they are violating your Fist ammendment rights somehow. Because for them to deny selling you a product merely on the content of your forums is, in my opinion, biased and i'm sure illegal.

But hey, Marijuana is not good for you so i'm torn....

No rights being violated.

If this were the case select shared hosting and not to mention free web hosting sites would not be able to prevent adult websites from being hosted on their servers. Adult websites are legal yet they have the power to deny them, which they should have the right to. It is their property, their work, and theirs to choose who to provide the service too.

Not to mention that some need it for medical reasons. So it is 'legal' for some.

Denver police may not arrest you for less than 1 ounce but you step outside their city limits and you will face possession charges.

[TyleR]

Not true Denver, Colorado it is legal for those 21 and older up to 1 ounce in city limits. Just another reason to call the city the Mile High city :nervous:

Way doubtful..show me somewhere on a official Denver, CO page that shows this, as I used to live in Denver myself, and am moving back there within the next month, and never once heard of such law.

[PennylessZ28]

I disagree with most of you. I'm a christian and if it was my script I wouldn't sell it to you either. Its A RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE.

I wouldn't want my service assoicated with things that don't line up with my beliefs. Whatever you believe is your business, but I have the right to chose who I do and do not do business with, so does VBSEO.

[AWI]

You know... you cry because they wish to "push" their beliefs on others yet you are putting them down for their right to have this belief and too stand up for something they believe in. That is what this country is about right? Someone can make a product, that represents them as a company, and they should have a right to control who uses their product and how the person uses. Whether or not it will reflect badly on their company in their eyes.

I do not understand how this is discrimination. He is not denying them this product because of sex or skin color. He is denying them this product because their site has content on it that he does not wish to have his name associated with.

When it first came out there was a guy denied because he ran an aduly themed site. I too thought at the time it was a horrible business practice and he shouldn't do this. Now however I understand why they chose to do this and since buying it I could not be happier with the friendly support, the prompt response to questions, and amazing features that come with the software. The ease of use is amazing.

Your opinion that it is "bad business" is hardly provable... they seem to be doing pretty well to me. They have my business and support. I could not be happier.

You must have been informed about the way this country stands...it is not alright for a company to refuse to sell their products to another person just because they think marijuana is wrong or bad. The law also say Creed..which means your beliefs and opinions..and the customers opinion is obviously he is pro-marijuana..either way life goes on and it is bad business ethics on such a low level. According to you a company can make a product and sell it to white people only and refusing to sell to other races or to only sell to Chritians and not Jews...that is not what this country is about..I really can;t think of any other product online that you buy that give stipulations on what kinda site it can be used on...

Way doubtful..show me somewhere on a official Denver, CO page that shows this, as I used to live in Denver myself, and am moving back there within the next month, and never once heard of such law.


From what I was told from a friend in Denver they just passed it I think the begining of this month by majority vote. Read for yourself :)

Click Click Click (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&hs=0mK&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=denver+colorado+marijuana&spell=1)

[TyleR]

From what I was told from a friend in Denver they just passed it I think the begining of this month by majority vote. Read for yourself :)

Click Click Click (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&hs=0mK&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US<img src=)

I stand corrected..now I guess I can't wait til I turn 21 to be able to drink and smoke the reefer :surprised:

[BamaStangGuy]

You must have been informed about the way this country stands...it is not alright for a company to refuse to sell their products to another person just because they think marijuana is wrong or bad.

Please, tell me where it is defined by law that VBSEO does not have a right to deny his product to someone that operates a marijuana website or adult website.

Answer me this too:

Why is it that when I make a product to sell, all of a sudden my rights get removed on who I can sell this too and who has my product on their site promoting it. Why must I allow a porn site to use my product and have my name associated with a porn site????

The law also say Creed..which means your beliefs and opinions..and the customers opinion is obviously he is pro-marijuana..either way life goes on and it is bad business ethics on such a low level.

You seem to be confused. Business ethics != law :)

According to you a company can make a product and sell it to white people only and refusing to sell to other races or to only sell to Chritians and not Jews...

Nope, that is discrimmination based on race which is illegal :)

that is not what this country is about..

Exactly

I really can;t think of any other product online that you buy that give stipulations on what kinda site it can be used on...

You must not be trying hard: Some Web Hosting sites deny hosting to adult websites and have been doing so for years :)

Have you never heard of Google? Google denies the use of their Adsense program on adult and gambling sites.




From what I was told from a friend in Denver they just passed it I think the begining of this month by majority vote. Read for yourself :)

Click Click Click (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&hs=0mK&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=denver+colorado+marijuana&spell=1)

Still illegal on Federal level and still going through the Supreme Court with a very bleak outlook :)

[Daniel]

It does sound a bit like discrimination, but what can you do? Good luck with getting your forums optimized though.

[AWI]

Wow you got the answer for everything Brent lol j/k...first off read what I wrote again

I really can;t think of any other product online that you buy that give stipulations on what kinda site it can be used on...

You don't put hosting on your site you put your site on the hosting...

Adsense is not a product..and you don't buy it :)

Second you said

Someone can make a product, that represents them as a company, and they should have a right to control who uses their product and how the person uses.

And now you say nope that is racist and discrimination..well you can't discriminate another persons creed either....:)

You also said Business ethics = Law..I'm not sure what you mean by that..care to explain because last I knew business ethics was how a company is run and how they target their products and services.

Still illegal on Federal level and still going through the Supreme Court with a very bleak outlook


True it is still illegal but the ordinance is there to back off the police from focusing attention on marijuana users and go after the real bad guys/girls. The police can still arrest you if they want but chances are they will not.

[BamaStangGuy]

Adsense is not a product..and you don't buy it :)

Do you not buy adwords? Pretty sure you do!

Please quickly review the Adwords terms of service: https://adwords.google.com/select/contentpolicy.html

Here are some snippets :)

Advertising is not permitted for online casinos, sports books, bingo, and affiliates with the primary purpose of driving traffic to online gambling sites.

Advertising is not permitted for the promotion of child pornography or other non-consensual material.

You do indeed pay for Adwords. I said Adsense because it ties in with adwords. You can't have one without the other :)

Also, free web hosting puts their name on your site. Atleast all the ones I have seen do. Geocities etc etc :) So yes they do have their name on your site.


Second you said

And now you say nope that is racist and discrimination..well you can't discriminate another persons creed either....:)

You can't associate my name with a porn site if I say you can't. Really is simple as that. My product. Sorry

You can not force VBSEO to put aside his "creed" and have his company be promoted on a Adult website either.

You figure out where you draw that fine line.


You also said Business ethics = Law..I'm not sure what you mean by that..care to explain because last I knew business ethics was how a company is run and how they target their products and services.

Psst != means does not equal.

You said it was bad Business ethics. Business ethics does not equal law.




True it is still illegal but the ordinance is there to back off the police from focusing attention on marijuana users and go after the real bad guys/girls. The police can still arrest you if they want but chances are they will not.

I don't like "chances" when it comes to my criminal record. So to me.... that is a pretty dumb ordinance to pass.

You did not answer this by the way ;)

Why must I allow a porn site to use my product and have my name associated with a porn site????

Just because they have the money? Money isn't everything in life you know! Hard to believe yes but true.

[AWI]

Short and simple reply..I gotta get some more work done...

The adwords you pay for do not go on your site..Adsense goes on your site...read my post again

!= I missed it..my bad

it's been fun....:)

[BamaStangGuy]

Short and simple reply..I gotta get some more work done...

The adwords you pay for do not go on your site..Adsense goes on your site...read my post again

!= I missed it..my bad

it's been fun....:)

Adsense goes on your site.

Work with me here

If google allows Porn and Gambling sites to use Adwords guess what?!?!

If you have adsense on your site... guess what ads will be shown?

If someone came to my site and wanted to purchase advertising for a gambling site then I would turn them away because I do not want gambling ads on my site. I am selling a service: Advertising on my site. I have a write to turn down who I please. How is it any different when someone comes to me with money for a SEO hack and I turn down their money because I do not want my hack associated with a porn site!

and please for the love of god answer me why they must allow their product and their name to appear on a porn site that is against their religion, against their beliefs, just because they want it and have money?!?!?!

[MissKalunji]

You could try Deans SEO.

But realisticly this is one of the problems that buying from a third party entitles, youmight have wanted to read their rules about what they allow. They believe in not allowing adult topics. Their loss, I do hope someone comes out with somthing the same, cheaper, and open source.

i second that!!

[Brandon Sheley]

is bent the spokesman for vbseo ?
your always speaking up when anyone talks about the bad times they had with the product ??

anyways.. good to hear deans seo product is soon to be out of beta :)

in all honesty, I've been reading a LOT about seo and how to optimize your website, and I've yet to find proof that your site wont get index with static URL's, and for the 150 bill, it's definitely not worth it. I'd rather pay someone who has the experience with this and can seo my/your site, and be more then pleased...

btw i want to move to Denver :D,, to bad the donkeys play there..hehe

[Corriewf]

Brent, why are you so prompt to respond to vbseo threads? Answer that question please.

[Noiz Pollution]

I'm a christian
Ummm, good for you but what does that have to do with the discussion? Before anyone says it I am by no means anti-Christian, I'm just curious here.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Personally I don't think we shouldn't allow this discussion at all here. vB.org is not involved in this whole discussion and it should be taken to the vBSEO support forums. It is also just asking for another thread that will end up in needless promotions or personal bashing. We will keep a close look on this thread, and it will be closed whenever it shows any signs of getting out of hand.

[smacklan]

I have the same rules in my Terms and Conditions plainly posted for all prospective buyers to see. My position is it's my property, I own the intellectual rights to it and am selling you the right to use my property under my conditions. Call it discrimination or whatever you choose, but it doesn't change the fact that it's my property to sell to whom I choose. Some may say this is a poor business decision, but I say it's a poor business decision to have your product associated with certain content. Thank you and have a nice day :)

[The Geek]

I have the same rules in my Terms and Conditions plainly posted for all prospective buyers to see. My position is it's my property, I own the intellectual rights to it and am selling you the right to use my property under my conditions. Call it discrimination or whatever you choose, but it doesn't change the fact that it's my property to sell to whom I choose. Some may say this is a poor business decision, but I say it's a poor business decision to have your product associated with certain content. Thank you and have a nice day :)

Same here and I agree totally.

Even though I don't fully agree with all of vbSEO's restrictions and policies, I applaud them for sticking by their convictions instead of turning a blind eye to make more money. In todays day and age thats rare and should be applauded.

[EricaJoy]

is there a vbSEO aftermarket? I'm pretty sure folks have purchased and not used/liked it.

whats the big deal about his site being about marijuana anyhow? its not like he's peddling kiddy pr0n or anything. if its about marijuana being illegal, well there are plenty of places (Denver AND Alaska in the US) where marijuana is legal for personal use. can someone make me understand?

[smacklan]

is there a vbSEO aftermarket? I'm pretty sure folks have purchased and not used/liked it.
I don't know if their TOS allows for license transfers.

whats the big deal about his site being about marijuana anyhow? its not like he's peddling kiddy pr0n or anything. if its about marijuana being illegal, well there are plenty of places (Denver AND Alaska in the US) where marijuana is legal for personal use. can someone make me understand?
It is de-criminalized in some places but it is still illegal in 99.9% of the US. Either way, my reasons for not allowing my products on site's with that type content are personal;)

[Dean C]

Dean, whats becoming stable? Are you releasing something like VBSEO or are you reffering to your other SEO hack?

As for VBSEO, I think that it is a joke to what they are charging for that software. The hack itself is just as much as the Vbulletin software. So would I purchase it at $150? No! Would I try it out if it were only $20-$30, most definetly. If I didn't like it or if it caused to many problems, I would just uninstall it.

I'm talking about my SEO mod which does the same as vBseo. Don't be fooled by their feature list; as half of it (in my professional opinion) is a load of nonsense. At the end of the day their product boils down to targetting keywords via URLs, nothing more, which is exactly the same as what mine does (and mine will do more soon too) :)

And whomever brought the law into this, I'm pretty sure the first ammendment doesn't apply to Costa Rican businesses ;) vBseo is based there.

[vBTotal]

And whomever brought the law into this, I'm pretty sure the first ammendment doesn't apply to Costa Rican businesses ;) vBseo is based there.
I love Costa Rica lol :squareeyed:

But ya, I cant wait for yours Dean!

[smacklan]

And whomever brought the law into this, I'm pretty sure the first ammendment doesn't apply to Costa Rican businesses ;) vBseo is based there.
Looking forward to seeing your product Dean :) btw, it's Puerto Rico, not Costa Rica ;)

[Regs]

I detest when people start throwing around "free speach" and "first amendment" rhetoric...

Get a grip and while you're at it, learn to read and comprehend:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Congress????

What Congress?

[MRGTB]

At the end of the day vBSEO own the right, so they can decide what they don't want there product used for. And you could argue this proves it not all about money for him. Otherwise the morals would have gone out the window and you would now own a vBSEO license.

I could be wrong, but I think he also refused to sell a license also to well know file sharing vbulletin site also based on morals

[soniceffect]

No rights being violated.

For those who are saying 'its against the law' or 'it`s not against the law' or 'it`s violating rights' etc etc, here`s the facts behind this.

Whether on the net, the high street, a service, a product phisical item or otherwise, this falls under the catagory of contractual law. For those who have studied accountancy, this should already be known.


VBSEO is not offering there service in any way shape or form in the eyes of hte law. What they are doing is an 'invitation to treat' meaning they are inviting others to make an offer on there product, and also showing a price in which they feel is reasonable for this product. When you make the offer, this is a contract offer, and they have the right to either accept, or decline that offer. If they accept, then they are bound by contractual law. If they decline (as they have done in this case), they they are not bound by any contract, and therefore can refuse to give you the product at the amount you have offered.

Basically they do have the right to say 'we ain`t gonna sell it to you'.

For my sins I am an accountant LOL .. had to learn all this borin rubbish :)

[Rick Sample]

Lets not make this some politicaly debate :nervous: Though I strongly disagree with the decision and price of VBSEO, they have the right to deny anyones purchase as they own the software. Even as forum owners, we have the right to deny anyone a membership to our forums. Its the same thing to me.

[Reeve of shinra]

I'm mixed about the topic,...

HR3rdGen said that as a Christian he wouldn't sell lthe script to the site in question either... we'll hypothetically speaking, what happens when the arguement is changed to:

- I wont sell you the script because your a non-christian / believe in something else
- You are Black / White / Purple

[BamaStangGuy]

Brent, why are you so prompt to respond to vbseo threads? Answer that question please.

Because I own VBSEO and get tired of people bashing it when they don't use it and have never seen how it works ;)

I like the program, so I defend my purchase of it.

Good enough?

is bent the spokesman for vbseo ?

How many times are you going to ask this question? Seriously! How many times do I have to tell you I am nothing more than someone that likes the software and I am defending it because I purchased it and love it.

Would you please stop trolling my posts and asking the same questions over again? You bring nothing to this conversation.


your always speaking up when anyone talks about the bad times they had with the product ??

Look who is talking! Your in this thread! You are always speaking up when I say something. Give me a break!


anyways.. good to hear deans seo product is soon to be out of beta :)

in all honesty, I've been reading a LOT about seo and how to optimize your website, and I've yet to find proof that your site wont get index with static URL's, and for the 150 bill, it's definitely not worth it. I'd rather pay someone who has the experience with this and can seo my/your site, and be more then pleased...

Your site will get indexed with dynamic urls. It doesn't take a genious to figure that out guy.

See you want to know why I am in these threads. The same reason you are always in these threads complaining about the price. You give your opinion I give mine.

is there a vbSEO aftermarket? I'm pretty sure folks have purchased and not used/liked it.

I am pretty sure people have bought vBulletin and not liked it too. Your arguement holds no water.


whats the big deal about his site being about marijuana anyhow? its not like he's peddling kiddy pr0n or anything. if its about marijuana being illegal, well there are plenty of places (Denver AND Alaska in the US) where marijuana is legal for personal use. can someone make me understand?

What do you we have to make you understand?!?! It is quiet simple. The owner of VBSEO does not wish to have his name associated with Porn and other illegal activities or activiites that are against his beliefs.

Marijuana is not legal on a Federal level. Period.

For those who are saying 'its against the law' or 'it`s not against the law' or 'it`s violating rights' etc etc, here`s the facts behind this.

Whether on the net, the high street, a service, a product phisical item or otherwise, this falls under the catagory of contractual law. For those who have studied accountancy, this should already be known.


VBSEO is not offering there service in any way shape or form in the eyes of hte law. What they are doing is an 'invitation to treat' meaning they are inviting others to make an offer on there product, and also showing a price in which they feel is reasonable for this product. When you make the offer, this is a contract offer, and they have the right to either accept, or decline that offer. If they accept, then they are bound by contractual law. If they decline (as they have done in this case), they they are not bound by any contract, and therefore can refuse to give you the product at the amount you have offered.

Basically they do have the right to say 'we ain`t gonna sell it to you'.

For my sins I am an accountant LOL .. had to learn all this borin rubbish :)

Thank you :)

[EricaJoy]

I am pretty sure people have bought vBulletin and not liked it too. Your arguement holds no water.Errr...what? It wasn't an argument just trying to find the man a way to get vbSEO without the owners moral/legal/whatever opinions standing in his way.

[BamaStangGuy]

Errr...what? It wasn't an argument just trying to find the man a way to get vbSEO without the owners moral/legal/whatever opinions standing in his way.

I understand what you meant now. No there is no reselling vbseo without them knowing it. You must still contact them and register your license with them.

[TyleR]

Errr...what? It wasn't an argument just trying to find the man a way to get vbSEO without the owners moral/legal/whatever opinions standing in his way.

Impossible..it uses a database check on the site it's installed on which send the URL info to their online db. So no matter how they try to get around it, the content will be found, the person will be refunded (or possibly not, for breaking the EULA), and the host will be contacted if the script is not removed.

[BamaStangGuy]

Impossible..it uses a database check on the site it's installed on which send the URL info to their online db. So no matter how they try to get around it, the content will be found, the person will be refunded (or possibly not, for breaking the EULA), and the host will be contacted if the script is not removed.

It only contacts VBSEO database when there is no license key in your config file. If you download the software from VBSEO itself the license key is already inside your config file and no call to home will exist.

[Brad]

Any business can refuse you service for any reason. Don't get me wrong, they can't go around saying 'We won't sell you x because you're black/mexican/white/etc' but they can refuse you service because you 'look funny' or they don't agree with certain things you do (in this case smoking/running a site about cannabis).

Compare it to a glass blower. I'm sure if he gets an order from a DEA agent for a glass bong that he isn't going to make it because the buyer is a 'pig'. Same thing.

[MRGTB]

Any business can refuse you service for any reason. Don't get me wrong, they can't go around saying 'We won't sell you x because you're black/mexican/white/etc' but they can refuse you service because you 'look funny' or they don't agree with certain things you do (in this case smoking/running a site about cannabis).

Compare it to a glass blower. I'm sure if he gets an order from a DEA agent for a glass bong that he isn't going to make it because the buyer is a 'pig'. Same thing.


Unless there offering him 200 grand for the bong. :rolleyes:

[AWI]

Any business can refuse you service for any reason. Don't get me wrong, they can't go around saying 'We won't sell you x because you're black/mexican/white/etc' but they can refuse you service because you 'look funny' or they don't agree with certain things you do (in this case smoking/running a site about cannabis).

Compare it to a glass blower. I'm sure if he gets an order from a DEA agent for a glass bong that he isn't going to make it because the buyer is a 'pig'. Same thing.


So you are saying if I go into Best Buy wearing a marijuana t-shirt or if I "look funny" then they can refuse to sell me their products? Technically we all can do whatever we want to do...it's just sad that some have to force their beliefs/opinions on others and discriminate to do so. And for the record the vBSeo servers are in New Jersey and therefore business is conducted in the US. Don't get me wrong everyone brings up great points..I just like to throw my 2 cents in :)

[Brad]

So you are saying if I go into Best Buy wearing a marijuana t-shirt or if I "look funny" then they can refuse to sell me their products? Technically we all can do whatever we want to do...it's just sad that some have to force their beliefs/opinions on others and discriminate to do so. And for the record the vBSeo servers are in New Jersey and therefore business is conducted in the US. Don't get me wrong everyone brings up great points..I just like to throw my 2 cents in :)

Yes but that is a chain store, so you don't see it often. Now if you walk into a local mom-and-pops store with a pot leaf on your t-shirt and smelling like a burned joint. The owner has every right to send you back out the door (and they will). I've seen it done before, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen the law remove someone from a store because they wouldn't leave at the owner's request.

[soniceffect]

So you are saying if I go into Best Buy wearing a marijuana t-shirt or if I "look funny" then they can refuse to sell me their products?

However morally wrong this may seem, this is actually the case. The person/company/site is under no obligation to sell you the product/service and can actually refuse to do so without even an explaination.

[smacklan]

it's just sad that some have to force their beliefs/opinions on others and discriminate to do so.
Whats sad about it?...no one is forcing you to buy anything. Personally I can't understand the attitude that says "you have to sell to me cause I say so":ermm:

However morally wrong this may seem, this is actually the case.
Who's morals? The porn pedeler's? The drug addict's?

[2fast4ya]

Like marijuana or not, it's illegal - and thats why they denied you. You can't be stupid enough to not know that. Just because you like it, doesn't mean you can use it. If you like to rape people, does that mean you can create a website about it and expect companies to support you? NO! it's ILLEGAL! duhhhhh

[soniceffect]

Who's morals? The porn pedeler's? The drug addict's?
If you read the post properly, you will see I was replying to the fact that someone can be discriminated against on the ground that they "look funny" in the same way that someone can not sell you something because of the colour of skin. I believe in the eyes of anyone who is not racist, this would be considered imoral?

If I where a tshirt with marajuana on it, am I a drug addict?

[smacklan]

If you read the post properly, you will see I was replying to the fact that someone can be discriminated against on the ground that they "look funny" in the same way that someone can not sell you something because of the colour of skin. I believe in the eyes of anyone who is not racist, this would be considered imoral?

sorry, misunderstood you. I agree there are times when it's discrimination and when that's the case, it's wrong. But on the other hand, I suppose you could say my rules discriminate against porn sites and drug sites...but I'm fine with being labeled discriminatory in that case ;)


If I where a tshirt with marajuana on it, am I a drug addict?
probably :lick:

[BamaStangGuy]

So you are saying if I go into Best Buy wearing a marijuana t-shirt or if I "look funny" then they can refuse to sell me their products? Technically we all can do whatever we want to do...it's just sad that some have to force their beliefs/opinions on others and discriminate to do so. And for the record the vBSeo servers are in New Jersey and therefore business is conducted in the US. Don't get me wrong everyone brings up great points..I just like to throw my 2 cents in :)

Are you not forcing the person selling the product to accept porn and marijuana and have his name and business associated with such sites.

IT GOES BOTH WAYS

[AWI]

Are you not forcing the person selling the product to accept porn and marijuana and have his name and business associated with such sites.

IT GOES BOTH WAYS

Nope, but the point is it's bad business either way you look at it. Discrimination on any level is bad and it doesn't matter if it's the law or not. The guy just wanted to buy an overpriced product to help better his site and what he enjoys doing. Sure the seller has the right to say no or restrict things like this...I think we can say we covered all aspects of this subject and can lay it to rest...my opinion is that it is wrong and bad business...thanks for reading :)

[ConqSoft]

Nope, but the point is it's bad business either way you look at it. Discrimination on any level is bad and it doesn't matter if it's the law or not. The guy just wanted to buy an overpriced product to help better his site and what he enjoys doing. Sure the seller has the right to say no or restrict things like this...I think we can say we covered all aspects of this subject and can lay it to rest...my opinion is that it is wrong and bad business...thanks for reading :)

Then why do you use vBulletin, since they discriminate and won't sell to sites that contain illegal material?

[BamaStangGuy]

Nope, but the point is it's bad business either way you look at it. Discrimination on any level is bad and it doesn't matter if it's the law or not. The guy just wanted to buy an overpriced product to help better his site and what he enjoys doing. Sure the seller has the right to say no or restrict things like this...I think we can say we covered all aspects of this subject and can lay it to rest...my opinion is that it is wrong and bad business...thanks for reading :)

I guess bad business is good business to them? Like I said they seem to be doing pretty well ;)

The software is fairly priced as well. The only people that complain are the ones with new sites that can not afford it. Honestly if your site is new you don't need this anyway, you got other things to spend your time and money on. ;)

Then why do you use vBulletin, since they discriminate and won't sell to sites that contain illegal material?

but but but! That is different!

[MRGTB]

Look at it another way.

Maybe he feels he doesn't want vBSEO to help lead more people to his site that could lead to a person starting to smoke drugs that has never smoked drugs before. Maybe he doesn't like the thought that his vBSEO product could do something like this and be responsible for creating another smack head.

All becuase he sold that site vBSEO that lead him there in the first place. Maybe the guy from vBSEO looks at the wider aspect of things like this and it has nothing to do with discrimination whats so ever.

[AWI]

Then why do you use vBulletin, since they discriminate and won't sell to sites that contain illegal material?


What's your point? I don't remember saying I was not going to buy anyones products because of their business practices...this is not a boycott...please read the whole thread instead of posting useless comments...thank you :)


Look at it another way.

Maybe he feels he doesn't want vBSEO to help lead more people to his site that could lead to a person starting to smoke drugs that has never smoked drugs before. Maybe he doesn't like the thought that his vBSEO product could do something like this and be responsible for creating another smack head.

All becuase he sold that site vBSEO that lead him there in the first place. Maybe the guy from vBSEO looks at the wider aspect of things like this and it has nothing to do with discrimination whats so ever.

Sorry I have to laugh at that...people who do drugs and smoke marijauna do it with friends..thats how it spreads...through the streets. :ermm:

[ConqSoft]

So where are all your posts condemning Jelsoft's policy?

[AWI]

So where are all your posts condemning Jelsoft's policy?


Again, read the thread..we are talking about vBSeo not vBulletin...and I don't agree with it no matter who it is...or what company.

[MRGTB]

What's your point? I don't remember saying I was not going to buy anyones products because of their business practices...this is not a boycott...please read the whole thread instead of posting useless comments...thank you :)




Sorry I have to laugh at that...people who do drugs and smoke marijauna do it with friends..thats how it spreads...through the streets. :ermm:

Well I could tell you a long story about a brother in-law who died at the age of 21 through drugs, which all started off with "smoking blow with his mates for a laugh". But I'll spare you the story.

Not all people stop at smoking blow your know, it can lead to other things which no doubt was on his mind well he said: NO

And I don't know were you get it was discrimination from, it was a moral discussion not to sell it him with is totally different.

[trackpads]

I have had on numerous occasions have script authors refuse to help me because my site 'supports' war. However misguided and as much I disagree with them it is thier right as a private entity to do it.

Just move on and ignore them, there are more important things in life.

-Jason

[vBSEO]

Hello Everyone,

The vBSEO Team has been discussing this topic. As a result, I thought it was only fair that I give you some insight as to our position on this matter, as opposed to forcing you to continue theorizing about the motivations behind our "Acceptable Usage Policy".

First of all, although we always strive to be fully aware of your concerns, we must firmly adhere to the company policies that we have in place. This means that, on occasion, we have disallowed the purchase of vBSEO from various forums including those related to the promotion of illegal drugs or pornography.

I do not intend to make any judgements regarding those of you who administer such forums. However, as a company, Crawlability believes in certain principles which are reflected in our vision, mission, and terms of use for all of our current and future product/service offerings.

Our software helps your forums gain more Web Traffic and more exposure. As a result, allowing vBSEO to be purchased for use with the types of forums restricted in our EULA, would essentially put Crawlability in the position of promoting content that we do not feel is a good fit with our understanding of positive social values.

Of course, I also have some concern related to issues such as (1) association of our company or products with such forums, and/or (2) general legal issues that could arise by deploying our software on certain forums.

Our License Agreement will be revised to provide a clearer definition of sites that wouldn't meet our "Acceptable Usage Policy". We are also going to modify the checkout process so that review of the EULA is emphasized prior to purchase.

Juan

[jmw]

You could try Deans SEO.

But realisticly this is one of the problems that buying from a third party entitles, youmight have wanted to read their rules about what they allow. They believe in not allowing adult topics. Their loss, I do hope someone comes out with somthing the same, cheaper, and open source.

No kidding... I was about to purchase their VBSEO script and my site is a big community that includes adult content (I got religion too). I guess I'll have to pass then. It is silly to be worrying about the contents of people's forums. Vbulletin doesn't, phpbb doesn't. Oh well, it's their software. They opened themselves to be liable for any legal problems that may arise from people's forums that have vseo installed.

I agree, somebody must come up with something cheaper and open source. Is vbulletin's source open? :)

[ConqSoft]

vBulletin does.

[smacklan]

Bravo Juan! In an age where moral decay rules the day your stand is refreshing and encouraging! There will always be critics...and it seems that the most vocal critics are either the one's who can't afford the product or can but don't qualify...which means there would be no critisism if no one was interested ;)

Merry Christmas all!

[jmw]

vBulletin does.

Really? Marihuana? Adult? If so why so many vbulletin forums with adult and growing marihuana contents? They even ask for support in vb boards and even show the links to their sites and last time I checked their forums are still there.

[ConqSoft]

It is silly to be worrying about the contents of people's forums. Vbulletin doesn't

They do. Maybe not the current subject matter, but they do deny licenses to sites based on their content.

[Brandon Sheley]

:rolleyes:
The software is fairly priced as well. The only people that complain are the ones with new sites that can not afford it. Honestly if your site is new you don't need this anyway, you got other things to spend your time and money on. ;)


actually the software is drastically over priced, and I Could afford it, in fact I could buy 2-3 packages of it ATM, that doesn't mean I will, for several reason that I've already expressed in other thread,
I laugh at you and other when they say this, the only ppl that dislike this product are the ones who can't afford it. I've been reading alot about how to promote your site and I still argue that you don't need any seo to be successful.
you can look at the largest boards on the net and they don't have fancy url's like this.
there are many other things you can do to your site to make it SEO, that doesn't involve some high priced product to have a like on your site :rolleyes:

a note to the thread starter or anyone interested in other editing you can do to seo your site, I'd check out this forum

http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 some great info here and discussion

good luck to everyone

[Chris M]

Then why do you use vBulletin, since they discriminate and won't sell to sites that contain illegal material?
Please - Enlighten us as to your reference point for this information...

As I see it, they only disallow the use of their software for sites such as warez sites, due to the legalities of their own software being pirated, and the copyrights and legal issues with other company's software being pirated...

I know of at least one large cannabis related vBulletin site (Overgrow) and I know that Adult content is not prohibited by the vBulletin Licence terms...

Chris

[ConqSoft]

From: http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php

The Software may not be used for anything that would represent or is associated with an Intellectual Property violation, including, but not limited to, engaging in any activity that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property rights of others, including copyrights, trademarks, service marks, trade secrets, software piracy, and patents held by individuals, corporations, or other entities.


Like I said, they do deny licenses based on the content of the site.

[kau]

I bet they are super religious fanatics. Anyone that wouldn't let their software be used on a pot site is an idiot.

[Chris M]

From: http://www.vbulletin.com/order/license_agreement.php


Like I said, they do deny licenses based on the content of the site.

Like I said, that's only warez, something not supported by most if not all companies with commercial product(s)...

So as for disagreeing with that particular policy, well, most places won't sell you software if they believe you are going to rip them or other people off ;)

And technically, that's not "denying licences" - That's revoking and/or taking legal action if your licence is found to be used for such activities...

Chris

[ConqSoft]

Software piracy is only one of the items listed. Intellectual property, trademarks, etc covers many different things.

Again, as I said, and I'll say it again, Jelsoft does have policies that pertain to the content of the site. Period. Two people have said that they don't, and I'm just pointing out that they do.

[BamaStangGuy]

I bet they are super religious fanatics. Anyone that wouldn't let their software be used on a pot site is an idiot.

What gives you the right to tell a company that they must have their name associated with such things as Adult content and marijuana?

And who cares if they are super religous fantatics? You are someone who obviously doesn't care what your name is associated with and how people see you as a person.

Please - Enlighten us as to your reference point for this information...

As I see it, they only disallow the use of their software for sites such as warez sites, due to the legalities of their own software being pirated, and the copyrights and legal issues with other company's software being pirated...

I know of at least one large cannabis related vBulletin site (Overgrow) and I know that Adult content is not prohibited by the vBulletin Licence terms...

Chris

That is still denying the use of their product on a site based on the content of the site. Period.

[Chris M]

Well you are entitled to your interpretation of their licence agreement, while I will stick with "non-warez" sites ;)

And Brent - That's actually not true - If you could prove that your forum on a warez site was legal and did not allow discussion of warez topics, and was simply for a community and a general chatting board, they would be hard-pressed to find a legal reason to revoke the licence as the board itself does not break any of their laws...

And even if they did allow warez discussion, as long as links are removed and file-sharing not done via the board, they still can't shut it down - Talking about it isn't illegal...

Chris

[BamaStangGuy]

Well you are entitled to your interpretation of their licence agreement, while I will stick with "non-warez" sites ;)

And Brent - That's actually not true - If you could prove that your forum on a warez site was legal and did not allow discussion of warez topics, and was simply for a community and a general chatting board, they would be hard-pressed to find a legal reason to revoke the licence as the board itself does not break any of their laws...

And even if they did allow warez discussion, as long as links are removed and file-sharing not done via the board, they still can't shut it down - Talking about it isn't illegal...

Chris

Even with that the case these people still drive me nuts crying discrimmination while turning around and demanding that a company have it's name associated with things that go against their beliefs.

Has it gotten to a point in this country and this world where it is all about money now?

"I got 150 dollars, give me VBSEO. I don't care that you disagree with my content and do not wish to have your name associated with the likes of my content just give me my license now!"

Give me a break. That stuff pisses me off and that is another reason I defend them so much. I have great respect for someone that stands up for what they believe in and actually turns down 150 dollars multiple times to keep their promise to themselves.

I don't even oppose the use of Marijuana, in fact I push for it to become legalized, yet I feel the need to help someone defend themselves against people that wish to tear the company away from their beliefs just so they can have a piece of software.

[kau]

What gives you the right to tell a company that they must have their name associated with such things as Adult content and marijuana?

And who cares if they are super religous fantatics? You are someone who obviously doesn't care what your name is associated with and how people see you as a person.

I don't have that right. My opinion is any company who would would regulate their software like that are idiots. A potential client is going to search the net to find all the uses of their software, find a pot site, then go "oh no a pot site uses this software, golly jeez gosh I better not use it". Or maybe his potential wife is searching for her fiances uses of his software. "Oh his software is used at a pot site! Why I never would have imagined! I am breaking up with him." HAHAHAHA.

[BamaStangGuy]

I don't have that right. My opinion is any company who would would regulate their software like that are idiots. A potential client is going to search the net to find all the uses of their software, find a pot site, then go "oh no a pot site uses this software, golly jeez gosh I better not use it". Or maybe his potential wife is searching for her fiances uses of his software. "Oh his software is used at a pot site! Why I never would have imagined! I am breaking up with him." HAHAHAHA.

I don't find anything funny about this? I seriously doubt those are their concerns. They do not want their product associated with these sites whether or not people think this or not.

No one is an idiot here. You are the only one calling people names in this thread so if you are not interested in the software and have nothing constructive to add then don't post!

[Chris M]

Even with that the case these people still drive me nuts crying discrimmination while turning around and demanding that a company have it's name associated with things that go against their beliefs.

Has it gotten to a point in this country and this world where it is all about money now?

"I got 150 dollars, give me VBSEO. I don't care that you disagree with my content and do not wish to have your name associated with the likes of my content just give me my license now!"

Give me a break. That stuff pisses me off and that is another reason I defend them so much. I have great respect for someone that stands up for what they believe in and actually turns down 150 dollars multiple times to keep their promise to themselves.

I don't even oppose the use of Marijuana, in fact I push for it to become legalized, yet I feel the need to help someone defend themselves against people that wish to tear the company away from their beliefs just so they can have a piece of software.

At the end of the day, yes, they will conduct business how they wish and that is that...

However there are some cases where their "Acceptable Use" policies are not exactly as clear-cut or "fair" (as if the Internet is anyway) as they could or should be...

Moral reasonings are, in my opinion, not a just ideal to base your business practise on - The point here is that cannabis is legal in some places in the World...

Yes, the World - vBulletin and vBSEO will and do have customers from a global market, not just from the states - And while you may argue about your constitutional rights blah de blah de blah, they don't apply to everyone everywhere, as evident in places such as The Netherlands...

While vBSEO have every right to disagree usage of their software for illegal sites, they should take into consideration the cultural deviations between the Americas and the rest of the world, and acknowledge that what's illegal for some isn't for others in some cases; They should be aware that such actions as denying service may be seen as a bad business move, but more importantly than business, is people's respect for a company...

Now I personally don't like the fact that vBSEO is closed source - The price tag, if it does what it claims to, is steep but probably worth it - However as a coder I like to dismantle what I have installed and while most of it would go over my head with vBSEO (.htaccess stuff, mostly gibberish to me) the PHP and/or database side of it, well, I like to know what my scripts are doing to my forum and site...

But aside from my personal concerns with the product, I seriously think that the vBSEO staff should re-think their policies in light of some of the points raised in this thread, moral, illegal or not...

Some people may take offence to being told that they can't have a site about growing and smoking certain substances when it is legal in their country to do so...

Chris

[smacklan]

hahahahahahaha!! and hah! What if they are making a moral judgement...if you see it that way then it's your guilty concience. Bottom line is this...if it belongs to me, I have the right to say "I will not sell to you" for whatever reason I choose and it really is none of your business why I choose not to. If you think me an idiot, so be it...your opinion along with your money is not anything I need.

[MRGTB]

hahahahahahaha!! and hah! What if they are making a moral judgement...if you see it that way then it's your guilty concience. Bottom line is this...if it belongs to me, I have the right to say "I will not sell to you" for whatever reason I choose and it really is none of your business why I choose not to. If you think me an idiot, so be it...your opinion along with your money is not anything I need.

But "Chris M" does bring up a valid and good point though. People from countries were it legal would view vBSEO refusing them a license as a bit of a joke in there eyes. Because there outlook but be totally different, because to them it's legal. So maybe there AUP does need closer looking at to suit sites globally.

[Chris M]

hahahahahahaha!! and hah! What if they are making a moral judgement...if you see it that way then it's your guilty concience. Bottom line is this...if it belongs to me, I have the right to say "I will not sell to you" for whatever reason I choose and it really is none of your business why I choose not to. If you think me an idiot, so be it...your opinion along with your money is not anything I need.

Actually that's not strictly true - If you don't give a reason you leave yourself open to the risk of a lawsuit due to someone believing your decision was based on a religious or racial act of discrimination...

So while you believe you can do what you want, there are limits to how much freedom you do have, especially as a business - If you aren't careful, not saying is almost as bad as actually saying...

Chris

[Chris M]

But "Chris M" does bring up a valid and good point though. People from countries were it legal would view vBSEO refusing them a license as a bit of a joke in there eyes. Because there outlook but be totally different, because to them it's legal. So maybe there AUP does need closer looking at to suit sites globally.

Even more fuel for a "Branding-free" option of vBSEO - Their best course of action would be to change their AUP to include statements such as "Each case will be treated on an individual basis" and "Alternative avenues of progression may be taken if it is deemed that your site may not display an active vBSEO copyright"...

;)

Chris

[Revan]

Nobody wouldn't have to be concerned about having their name associated with anything if mostly everybody didn't insist on hijacking the vB footer and displaying their own name with a link back to their site :p

No but seriously. If I were to sell a hack and say that no Muslims are allowed to purchase and use my hack because I don't like how their religion treat women (which I don't, btw), that would have caused uproar and here in Norway I could be charged with racism.
Its the same deal, yet anyone who can defend the denial of purchase based on religion is hereby dared to do that in a country with racism laws :p

[smacklan]

Actually that's not strictly true - If you don't give a reason you leave yourself open to the risk of a lawsuit due to someone believing your decision was based on a religious or racial act of discrimination...

So while you believe you can do what you want, there are limits to how much freedom you do have, especially as a business - If you aren't careful, not saying is almost as bad as actually saying...

Chris
Well, that may very well be true, but I do believe that I have more to worry about from the rippers out there than from someone hauling me into court for refusing to sell them a $20 skin. Don't get me wrong, I treat everyone who comes to my site with respect and appreciation and don't just blow them off. So far, anytime I've run into this situation it has been handled amiacably for both parties.

[Chris M]

Nobody wouldn't have to be concerned about having their name associated with anything if mostly everybody didn't insist on hijacking the vB footer and displaying their own name with a link back to their site :p

No but seriously. If I were to sell a hack and say that no Muslims are allowed to purchase and use my hack because I don't like how their religion treat women (which I don't, btw), that would have caused uproar and here in Norway I could be charged with racism.
Its the same deal, yet anyone who can defend the denial of purchase based on religion is hereby dared to do that in a country with racism laws :p

You bring up a good point Revan...

I'm unsure if vBSEO are aware of this religion, but what about Cantheism?

Surely denying Cantheists a licence could constitute as religious descrimination...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantheism

Chris

[MRGTB]

Hey, have you noticed you forum board called "Hellsatan" has been suspended

[BamaStangGuy]

:rolleyes:

actually the software is drastically over priced, and I Could afford it, in fact I could buy 2-3 packages of it ATM, that doesn't mean I will, for several reason that I've already expressed in other thread,
I laugh at you and other when they say this, the only ppl that dislike this product are the ones who can't afford it. I've been reading alot about how to promote your site and I still argue that you don't need any seo to be successful.
you can look at the largest boards on the net and they don't have fancy url's like this.
there are many other things you can do to your site to make it SEO, that doesn't involve some high priced product to have a like on your site :rolleyes:

a note to the thread starter or anyone interested in other editing you can do to seo your site, I'd check out this forum

http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 some great info here and discussion

good luck to everyone

Actually it isn't over priced :) It does what I want and the price is fair for me. So to me it isn't over priced.

We can go back and forth all you want. I'm glad you can afford it but the majority can not.

You bring up a good point Revan...

I'm unsure if vBSEO are aware of this religion, but what about Cantheism?

Surely denying Cantheists a licence could constitute as religious descrimination...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantheism

Chris

Yes that is all great and all but where does the Companies rights go? Do they just vanish in the name of money?

Where do we draw the line?

[ConqSoft]

A lot of people say vBulletin is overpriced too. Everyone has their own opinion.

[BamaStangGuy]

A lot of people say vBulletin is overpriced too. Everyone has their own opinion.

No, Loco.M is the only opinion that matters in this thread. He laughs at us remember! He laughs at us because we are happy with the product we paid for! Amazing huh!

[MRGTB]

A lot of people say vBulletin is overpriced too. Everyone has their own opinion.

I think quite a lot of people think it's overpriced because of the very few files it uses compared to vBulletin. Yet it's priced around the same as vB. I know that doesn't account for the amount of man hours he may have put into re-searching it etc.

But my guess is that's a main reason why many people think it's overpriced. When you could also compare it to the likes of vBGallery before it was taken over which used many more files than vBSEO and was a much bigger product overall and cheaper.

That's why I personally think it's overpriced. I don't really see how vBSEO can demand a price the same as vBulletin which it needs to even function.

[Corriewf]

No, Loco.M is the only opinion that matters in this thread. He laughs at us remember! He laughs at us because we are happy with the product we paid for! Amazing huh!

You really like to beat a dead horse dont you.

[Revan]

Yes that is all great and all but where does the Companies rights go? Do they just vanish in the name of money?

Where do we draw the line?I love how you blatantly ignore valid points and keep spewing that same phrase (reworded or otherwise).

[joeychgo]

Lets not make this some politicaly debate :nervous: Though I strongly disagree with the decision and price of VBSEO, they have the right to deny anyones purchase as they own the software. Even as forum owners, we have the right to deny anyone a membership to our forums. Its the same thing to me.

I agree - although - I also wonder to myself who they think they are - the morality police for forums?

[BamaStangGuy]

I agree - although - I also wonder to myself who they think they are - the morality police for forums?

So let them be it. It is their software. I wonder alot of things to myself about you and your site too. I keep 90% of them to myself though.

I am not in this for any gain. I run a Ford Mustang website that has nothing to do with software, vbulletin, or anything else that can bring me gain from all this wonderful exposure I am getting from defending them. What I do get is my opinion expressed and my thoughts out just like the people that want to hang VBSEO.

The fact that they responded to this thread and hardly anyone... if anyone.... has responded to them directly speaks mounds of words.

I love how you blatantly ignore valid points and keep spewing that same phrase (reworded or otherwise).

I have valid points too that go unanswered.

Where do we draw the line with the companies rights and the consumers rights. I never disagreed that some religions accept marijuana into it. I never disagreed on any of that. So your right. What I want to know is where you draw the line.

Love me or hate me I could careless. This is the internet, I am arguing my points and my side just like you. If anything you are doing just as much ignoring as me.

Tell me where we draw the line on a company's name being associated with something that many people in the United States, his country, find degrading and problematic to their society

kthxbye

You really like to beat a dead horse dont you.

and you really like coming after me the most in this thread don't you ;)

All I see you doing in this thread is questioning why I am defending them, even after I have explained why in the other two threads.

[Corriewf]

and you really like coming after me the most in this thread don't you ;)

All I see you doing in this thread is questioning why I am defending them, even after I have explained why in the other two threads.

Actions speak louder then words my friend. You post in every thread related to this subject non stop however I dont see you posting much in other threads. Seems like you have a vested interest in vbseo. Nobody likes lapdogs.;)

[BamaStangGuy]

Actions speak louder then words my friend. You post in every thread related to this subject non stop however I dont see you posting much in other threads. Seems like you have a vested interest in vbseo. Nobody likes lapdogs.;)

I am not in this for any gain. I run a Ford Mustang website that has nothing to do with software, vbulletin, or anything else that can bring me gain from all this wonderful exposure I am getting from defending them. What I do get is my opinion expressed and my thoughts out just like the people that want to hang VBSEO.

Please read what I just posted and tell me how the hell I gain anything from this. I am no one's lapdog and I take offense to that! I do not appreciate that comment ok!

[Corriewf]

Please read what I just posted and tell me how the hell I gain anything from this. I am no ones lapdog and I take offense to that! I do not appreciate that comment ok!

If I was you, I would take offense too. Must suck when someone points out the obvious.

[BamaStangGuy]

If I was you, I would take offense too. Must suck when someone points out the obvious.

Are you kidding me? Leave this thread or take this to PM's if all you are going to do is attack me.

Please tell me how I am a lapdog. I use the product. I defend the product I use because I like it.

I'm sorry if you do not like this but it is not your place to tell me what I am in this thread. You want to tell me what I am then tell me what I am via pm and I will tell you exactly what you are.

[Corriewf]

Are you kidding me? Leave this thread or take this to PM's if all you are going to do is attack me.

Please tell me how I am a lapdog. I use the product. I defend the product I use because I like it.

I'm sorry if you do not like this but it is not your place to tell me what I am in this thread. You want to tell me what I am then tell me what I am via pm and I will tell you exactly what you are.

You dont just like the product you troll the product. Your pm box is not worthy of recieving one from me. :tired:

[BamaStangGuy]

You dont just like the product you troll the product. Your pm box is not worthy of recieving one from me. :tired:

You troll me and my posts in this thread. See your quote: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Are you done attacking me in this thread are you got something else to say about me?

[Revan]

I have valid points too that go unanswered.Lets do something about that then shall we.
Where do we draw the line with the companies rights and the consumers rights.From what a mind operating at 3 AM can think of, I'd say right around the part where what a user does with a commodity should be none of the sellers concern.
For instance, when you buy a licence along with a gun, the owner of the gun shop don't ask you if you plan to kill someone with it. That licence serves as a way for the police to track you down should you choose to perform illegal actions with the gun.
Similar with the software. The licence along with your personal information can be handed over to the authorities should you choose to use it for illegal purposes.
If someone has problems with shooting animals, they don't work in a hunters store.
If someone has problems with smoking (cigs), you don't work in a tobacco store.
If someone has problems with how their buyers use their products, don't make the product.
Therefore it is idiotic to disallow someone to purchase a script just as much as it is idiotic to refuse to sell someone a gun because you don't want your gun store's name associated with murder.
I never disagreed that some religions accept marijuana into it. I never disagreed on any of that. So your right. What I want to know is where you draw the line.Above.
Love me or hate me I could careless. This is the internetMore power to you then.
I am arguing my points and my side just like you. If anything you are doing just as much ignoring as me.This post should change this then shouldnt it ^^
Tell me where we draw the line on a company's name being associated with something that many people in the United States, his country, find degrading and problematic to their societyOh yes, it's all about the US aint it. The World Police. Give me a break...
kthxbyeO RLY? KNP^^


My advice to future buyers of vBSEO: Ally yourself with a friend running a "clean" forum, and give this as your Forum Url when buying the script. After you have the script, you can change the url for it.
If there proves to be some check in the code that makes the script not function if the owner of vBSEO presses a button, then I will do everything in my power to decode the script and after learning the inner workings, code my own version, which will be available to not only Puritans but cannabis smokers and Muslims.

[Corriewf]

You troll me and my posts in this thread. See your quote:

Are you done attacking me in this thread are you got something else to say about me?

Muhahaha!

Attacking you huh? Did I hit you with a vbseo rolled up newspaper or something?

[Guest190829]

Please everyone, I can't see why people can't act maturely when a topic like this arises. If your not going to discuss this like responsible and intelligent people, then don't participate in the discussion. The thread will be closed if it continues to go down this path.

[Corriewf]

My advice to future buyers of vBSEO: Ally yourself with a friend running a "clean" forum, and give this as your Forum Url when buying the script. After you have the script, you can change the url for it.
If there proves to be some check in the code that makes the script not function if the owner of vBSEO presses a button, then I will do everything in my power to decode the script and after learning the inner workings, code my own version, which will be available to not only Puritans but cannabis smokers and Muslims.

Can I get a interweb pr0n king version?

Please everyone, I can't see why people can't act maturely when a topic like this arises. If your not going to discuss this like responsible and intelligent people, then don't participate in the discussion. The thread will be closed if it continues to go down this path.

The thread should of been closed a long time ago... :rolleyes:

[BamaStangGuy]

Therefore it is idiotic to disallow someone to purchase a script just as much as it is idiotic to refuse to sell someone a gun because you don't want your gun store's name associated with murder.

Are you kidding me.... that is not even in the same ballpark. This is about having his software and his business name associated with pornography for instance.

There is no ifs in this case. There is no chance that it might be used for pornography. THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BUYING THE SCRIPT IS FOR A PORN SITE.


Oh yes, it's all about the US aint it. The World Police. Give me a break...
O RLY? KNP^^

He lives in the US. So yes the majority of his concern is the US. In his home country where he lives it is looked down by the majority of the United States citizens to be associated with pornography and marijuana use. Like it or not this is how it is in his Home country. Not Germany not France.

Muhahaha!

Attacking you huh? Did I hit you with a vbseo rolled up newspaper or something?

Apparently you are not done. What are you adding to this thread other than useless bullshit posts to me

[filburt1]

Common people, have a civilized conversation for once. If you can't, then take it somewhere other than a Jelsoft server.

[Chris M]

Hey, have you noticed you forum board called "Hellsatan" has been suspended
At my request due to my ISP being, er, not up to par :p

However I co-own the server so I could unsuspend it - I'd then just get comments or emails about not replying to questions :p

Chris